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re: Doctor posts health insurance incentive plan for giving the COVID vaccine

Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Even Pfizer's own data clearly listed 'unknown risks' - including the lack of safety data in certain subpopulations, adverse events that would require longer follow-up to be detected, and the possibility of vaccine enhanced disease upon waning immunity.



And yet they decided that it made more sense as a business to pay providers extra money to prevent having to pay for hospitalizations. Clearly their internal data is favorable to the vaccine.






Frankly this is the biggest knock to the vaccine skeptics that has ever been posted on here despite being posted as a knock against the vaccine
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:59 pm to
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Sounds like she’s full of shite.


Your understanding of this situation is remarkable.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108590 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:02 pm to
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Frankly this is the biggest knock to the vaccine skeptics that has ever been posted on here despite being posted as a knock against the vaccine
Correct. These insurance companies would have all the “secret data showing the vax kills”. They are as powerful as anyone in America in the medical community. They would have any secret medical info

If they had the secrets about the poisons of the vax, their incentive program would be to NOT GIVE THE VAX

That would be a bombshell
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86264 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:06 pm to
who didnt know this?


ivermectin wasnt making anybody any money, covid was also more lucrative than the flu.





Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108590 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:10 pm to
If ivermectin was saving lives you would see the insurance companies incentivizing the shite out of it

I truly didn’t know how many people had zero clue how insurance companoes work and make money

Covid was the last thing from being lucrative for insurance
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 2:12 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86264 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:17 pm to
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Because it’s not being paid by the entity (vaccine manufacturer) that is profiting from sale. It’s being paid by the entity that stands to save money from widespread usage of the vaccine.

How do you tie your shoes?



The largest health insurance provider is the government.


Reimbursement for covid shots were almost double of any previous vaccines.


$40 per shot, while previously it was $16 for first dose and $28 for your second. So $80 to get your covid shot vs $44 and $28 for any other vaccine.

613 million doses at an extra $36 or $52 reimbursement?




You must use velcro.




Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86264 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:20 pm to
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If ivermectin was saving lives you would see the insurance companies incentivizing the shite out of it

I truly didn’t know how many people had zero clue how insurance companoes work and make money

Covid was the last thing from being lucrative for insurance



You are stupid.

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108590 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:22 pm to
The sicker the patient population the less money an Insurance company will make

It’s not a secret. With all the data the insurance companies have it clearly leaned to the vaccine promoting a healthier less hospital ridden patient pool

Not rocket science. This is the opposite of the bombshell you want this to be
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36475 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:23 pm to
Please explain how a private insurer makes money by paying providers extra money to push the vaccine.



(I know how they make money by doing this but I want your explanation)
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 2:24 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108590 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:27 pm to
Dude, duh

The insurance company wants sicker customers so they can make far less money, then eventually have their customers die earlier so they make zero money on them ever again
Posted by idsrdum
Member since Jan 2017
603 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:43 pm to
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Clearly their internal data is favorable to the vaccine.

Obviously they were very pro-vaccine early. The Cares Act did require that health plans cover the cost. Perhaps there were also financial incentives offered to them?

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Frankly this is the biggest knock to the vaccine skeptics that has ever been posted on here despite being posted as a knock against the vaccine

Maybe I'm not understanding your point. Do you think it was reasonable for the insurance companies to hedge their bets that short term protection from the vaccine was more financially beneficial than potential costs from unknown risks? For the entire population, including children and recovered individuals who were at miniscule risk of serious disease? Not to mention the myocarditis risk.

With a high burden of diseases related to the immune system - asthma, allergies, eczema, cancer, type 1 diabetes, arthritis, lupus, crohn's, celiac, colitis, psoriasis. ms, inflammatory bowel disease, thyroiditis, etc. - maybe it is time to be a little more skeptical and consider that vaccines (individually or cumulatively) could play a part in triggering some of these chronic conditions.
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
27374 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:51 pm to
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May be true, but she also didn't treat 6K patients in 90 days for covid
It takes 2-3 minutes to get shot ready, sterilize arm, and give shot. Some facilities were doing hundreds a day.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108590 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:54 pm to
The lengths some of y’all will go to defend a complete fraud just because they parrot something you like

No doctor is treating 6,000 patients in 90 days. Not happening
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
27374 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 4:55 pm to
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No doctor is treating 6,000 patients in 90 days. Not happening
I said "facility." Aka multiple doctors.

Obviously 1 doctor is not doing 6,000 in 90 days.
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 4:56 pm
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36475 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 5:07 pm to
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Maybe I'm not understanding your point. Do you think it was reasonable for the insurance companies to hedge their bets that short term protection from the vaccine was more financially beneficial than potential costs from unknown risks? For the entire population, including children and recovered individuals who were at miniscule risk of serious disease? Not to mention the myocarditis risk. With a high burden of diseases related to the immune system - asthma, allergies, eczema, cancer, type 1 diabetes, arthritis, lupus, crohn's, celiac, colitis, psoriasis. ms, inflammatory bowel disease, thyroiditis, etc. - maybe it is time to be a little more skeptical and consider that vaccines (individually or cumulatively) could play a part in triggering some of these chronic conditions.



What I’m saying is that the insurance companies only goal is to make money.

They make money by taking in premiums and not paying out via not having to pay for hospitalizations etc

They also have a massive database of information about their populations health.


They felt that the cost of paying extra to providers for vaccinations would have prevented enough illness to justify it. That means they weighed the risk of clots from the “clot shot” risk of “dying suddenly” etc. they don’t get anymore premiums when someone “dies suddenly”
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35062 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 6:10 pm to
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Because it’s not being paid by the entity (vaccine manufacturer) that is profiting from sale. It’s being paid by the entity that stands to save money from widespread usage of the vaccine. How do you tie your shoes?


So kickbacks are cool as long as someone else pays the bribe? Please cite me in the AKS where it allows for such arrangements?

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