re: Do you think the US was "evil" to drop bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

It was absolutely evil, but it would have been worse to send hundreds of thousands of men to their deaths in a dragged out fight for superiority over the Pacific and it probably kept the world from destroying itself since it wasn't long thereafter that the nuclear capabilities of the major powers all came online and they all knew now what the frick it was capable of.

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I don't understand why some have such a hard time admitting that making the conscience decision to wipe out an entire population of people is itself an evil thing.

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I dont either but this didnt happen with Japan

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Established in 1946 in Panama, the SOA was responsible for training over 64,000 South American soldiers, many of whom later became notorious torturers and murderers in death squads. According to former Panamanian President Jorge Illueca, the SOA was the “biggest base for destabilization in Latin America.”

Expelled from Panama in 1984, the SOA relocated to Fort Benning, Georgia, and was renamed WHINSEC in 2001, allowing for an apparent termination of the previous program through dissociation. In reality, however, WHINSEC retained its SOA foundations and the U.S. Department of Defense has shielded the institute from criticism and outcry with regard to the school’s historical link to human rights violations.

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The manuals, written in the 1950s and 1960s, “were distributed for use in countries such as El Salvador, Guatemala, Ecuador and Peru, and at the School of the Americas between 1987 and 1991.” Indeed, in-depth research and testimony from torture survivors relay more than just a depiction of torture practiced by SOA graduates in South America during dictatorship eras, such as Chile under Pinochet. Sadistic torture practiced upon detainees at Abu Ghraib is also reflective of the CIA torture manuals and torture previously carried out on detainees in South America.

Since 2000 and the renaming of the SOA, other crimes linked to SOA graduates have come to light.

Col. Byron Lima Estrada was convicted in June 2001 of murdering Guatemalan Bishop Juan Jose Gerardi following the publication of a report insisting the Guatemalan army was responsible for the murder of almost 200,000 people in the civil war that took place from 1960 to 1996.

Two SOA graduates, Venezuelan Army Commander in Chief Efrain Vasquez and Gen. Ramirez Poveda, were involved in the failed 2002 coup against President Hugo Chávez. According to SOA Watch, Otto Reich, then-assistant secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, was “appointed as a WHINSEC board of visitor member to ‘oversee’ democracy and human rights curriculum, as well as operations at the school.” Reich was also deeply involved in the planning of the coup against Chávez.

In 1999, Bolivian Captain Filiman Rodriguez had been found responsible for the kidnapping and torture of Waldo Albarracin, director of the Bolivian Popular Assembly of Human Rights. In 2002, Rodriguez was accepted for a 49-week officer training course at WHINSEC.

In May 2014, a detailed report by the Fellowship of Reconciliation and Colombia-Europe-U.S. Human Rights Observatory highlighted U.S. military assistance to Colombia between 2000 and 2010. According to the report, which studies extrajudicial killings committed by the Colombian Army Brigades, U.S. intelligence assistance to Colombia “supported units that had adopted a strategy conducive to extrajudicial killings.”

Colombia requires its officers to undergo training at WHINSEC. The 2014 report states that out of 25 Colombian graduates from 2001 to 2003, 12 had either been charged with “a serious crime or commanded units whose members had reportedly committed multiple extrajudicial killings.”

It should be remembered that Plan Colombia, signed by U.S. President Bill Clinton, was translated into “moral and political support” by Colombian Gen. Mario Montoya. Between 2000 and 2010, U.S. assistance was considered a factor which influenced the staggering total of5,673 extrajudicial killings — all of which occurred with impunity, lack of judicial mechanisms, rewards for the murders and the role of national leaders such as Montoya providing a safety net for those complicit in the atrocities.

As regards WHINSEC in Colombia, an academic on the Board of Visitors is quoted in the report as stating, “So if a student of mine leaves an ethics class and engages in criminal activity does that make me or my university liable for her activity?”

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[quote]From among its infamous alumni are 11 former Latin American dictators including: Argentina's Leopoldo Galtieri, Rios Montt of Guatemala and Raoul Cédras of Haiti.

Other notorious graduates include: El Salvador death squad leader Roberto D'Aubuisson who killed and tortured thousands during El Salvador's civil war

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I can continue with more links of US orchestrated terrorism if you'd like.

I realized I said the same thing as the guy who is being called a troll, but it is absolutely true that FDR didn't have public opinion on his side when he wanted to get involved in the war. With that said, who is to say his intentions were to poke a stick at Japan hoping they would be able to help change public opinion.

You can also question that once we were bombed by Japan why did the US push the bombing of pearl harbor aside until the job was done in Europe. After that there was no interest for the US to continue fighting a war, but Japanese soldiers were absolute savages. While the US would have won a war with Japan, it would have been at the cost of many dead US soldiers.

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No concern was given for babies at Pearl Harbor.

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Who said Pearl Harbor wasnt evil?
Additionally somewhere between 55 and 68 civilians were killed in the attacks on PH. Of those like 8 were children. Horrible. So less of a tit for tat and more of a tit for TTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTT.

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Why would anyone worry about babies these bombs would kill?

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Jesus fricking christ! How about because they are innocent babies?

Its this exact thought process that has lead to humans being an evil self destructive race.



Im not saying you cant think that the bombings were necessary. But the inability to be objective is both predictable and staggering at the same time.

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bbvdd

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“Let all the souls here rest in peace, for we shall not repeat the evil,” the president said.

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frick that guy.

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Just listened to the entire speech and that line is NOT in it. I am just SHOCKED, considering the source in the OP.

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Just wondering what it feels like to be a lying traitorous count bbvdd?

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Obama apparently thinks the US is evil for doing so. He didn't apologize for it but for him to say that it was "evil" may just be worse.

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"Let all the souls here rest in peace for we shall not repeat the evil."

This is a quote written on the memorial in Hiroshima. Obama doesn't think the US is evil for doing what it did.

Obama is such a dickjaw

Nothing about the atrocities the Japanese did to our soldiers, nothing about Bombing innocent people in Hawaii, while under no declaration of war, it was a terror attack.

In the UN charter, it says the US can use any means necessary(nuke,atom,gas,bombs) to address any terror attack from a country.

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Obama is such a dickjaw

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That's a new one to me.

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Nothing about the atrocities the Japanese did to our soldiers, nothing about Bombing innocent people in Hawaii, while under no declaration of war, it was a terror attack.

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You were expecting something else from this President?

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In the UN charter, it says the US can use any means necessary(nuke,atom,gas,bombs) to address any terror attack from a country

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I don't think it authorizes us to use chemical warfare on another country, if that's what you mean.

My Dad was on Okinawa waiting for the invasion of Japan. He thinks the A-bomb was great.