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re: Do you LA baws consider BR to be a shithole?

Posted on 8/30/19 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by oleheat
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 1:33 pm to
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I’m not taking up for BR. It’s gotten consistently worse over the years. Just wonder why so many people are anchored to a place they hate so much. The pros outweigh the cons for me.


I grew up in what became the most crime-ridden part of BR (70805). It was a great place, growing up. Very safe.

I've been gone from the city limits for around 30 years, but still live close enough to be a good witness.

It's my hometown. Where my roots are. Where my family is, where my loved ones are buried- you name it. So speaking for me, I could never hate BR.

It's just sad to see what has happened- and is happening.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 1:35 pm to
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What you see on this board when people talk about these large Southern cities we live in is our horror at the degradations of formerly super-nice areas into crime-ridden ghettoes. It's a depressing transformation. The black underclass is thousands deep in the very worst kind of prison-life social pathologies, there are face-tattooed rednecks everywhere you look, there are meth heads and hookers outside the doors of the convenience store you go to,all the retail space seems run down and needs a coat of paint, the 10:00 news is a relentless assault on normalcy, the schools are failing, the stupidest people tend to be holding the microphone, etc etc ad nauseum.

Normal people now have to make a conscience decision to avoid the societal chaos. You have to carve out a life where you intentionally avoid all these vast armies of Zombie Americans. It's not just Baton Rouge and Jackson and New Orleans, It's America. We are carving out smaller enclaves of prosperity against the broader failing areas. It just feels so different that the period through the 90's.


Truth.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 1:45 pm to
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7-8 home games a year. That's it. The rest of the time it's a shithole

Yes a few football games a year is the only thing a state flagship brings to a city
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 1:53 pm to
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I’m not taking up for BR. It’s gotten consistently worse over the years.

It's not unique to BR. The same urban decay has happened to most cities in the Gulf South. My wife grew up in an urban area of Birmingham that's a complete shite hole now. People have fled to the burbs for decades.

The BR suburbs aren't as developed as some others because South BR provided a suburban lifestyle with half decent public schools until the late 80s-early 90s when John Parker fricked up the schools.
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:05 pm to
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The same urban decay has happened to most cities in the Gulf South.


Define Gulf South?

I know that Austin, Nashville, Tampa/St. Pete, Chattanooga, Asheville, Huntsville, Raleigh and Charlotte are all experiencing unprecedented growth. Explain that to me. They’re doing something right, that’s for sure.
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 2:06 pm
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:07 pm to
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Define Gulf South?

I know that Austin, Nashville, Tampa/St. Pete, Chattanooga, Asheville, Huntsville, Raleigh and Charlotte are all experiencing unprecedented growth. Explain that to me. They’re doing something right, that’s for sure.

One out of eight. Not bad Paul
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:11 pm to
Geography besides the point. Care to expound on what you feel they’re doing different than “gulf coast cities” to attract and retain talented individuals?
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:17 pm to
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Austin


Definitely wouldn't call them Gulf South. Texas A&M being in SEC is weird too.

Chattanooga has its own issues.

North Carolina is on a different level like Texas.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
49921 posts
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:17 pm to
Better business environment due to tax policies and infrastructure

Better populations i.e. less moochers

I just thought it was funny you named 7 non-Gulf South cities in response to fall’s post

Posted by Paul Allen
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:34 pm to
So what are the gulf south cities? Is it Houston all the way to Fort Myers and nothing north of I-10? Genuinely curious. That’s all.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:38 pm to
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Define Gulf South
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Austin
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Nashville
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Chattanooga
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Huntsville
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Raleigh
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Charlotte


Do you know where the fricking Gulf is Paul?
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77793 posts
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:40 pm to
I do. I just don’t see why or how these cities/economies are outperforming cities that are all within a short days drive to them. Just wanted to get others takes on why this is happening. That’s all.

Case in point, Huntsville’s economy vs a Montgomery or Mobile’s. And yet they’re in the same state.
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:43 pm to
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I just don’t see why or how these cities/economies are outperforming cities that are all within a short days drive to them. Just wanted to get others takes on why this is happening. That’s all.


Look at demographics of the gulf south cities and the mid south cities you listed
Posted by Paul Allen
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:45 pm to
Ok, but again, my point is they’re still in the same region. It boils down to more than just regional demographics, in my opinion. I think the aforementioned cities that are bustling are doing different things to encourage economic growth, regardless of demographics.

Again, Huntsville is a short drive from Mobile in the same state and their economic forecast is auspicious compared to that of Mobile.
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:45 pm to
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I love living in BR. None of the perceived problems of living here are particularly hard to mitigate. People who think BR is a shithole are, generally speaking, shitpeople.
I haven't lived in BR for almost 30 years, but I still love coming back. I can drive around all day looking at the houses and neighborhoods. I've never quite found another city that had the same feel to their neighborhood developments. BR is awesome.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:46 pm to
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It boils down to more than just regional demographics, in my opinion
Not much more

Better quality of people elect better quality of leaders which make better quality decisions.


It pretty much boils down to that
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77793 posts
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:49 pm to
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Not much more


Sure it does. Quality of life, good education system and jobs. Not just traditional jobs, but those that are also entrepreneurial friendly.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108516 posts
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:51 pm to
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Quality of life, good education system and jobs. Not just traditional jobs, but those that are also entrepreneurial friendly.

Where do you think that comes from?

I'll repeat, good people elect good leaders which make for good decisions


Switch the inhabitants of Nashville and New Orleans, change nothing else, and in a few years NOLA would be thriving and Nashville the opposite
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:59 pm to
Of course it boils down to much more than demographics. That's a complex question you're asking with several layers and with all Inputs needed , the demographic make-up is obviously needing to be factored in
Posted by MarinaTigerEsq
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 3:29 pm to
Baton Rouge would be a lot better with better schools, more parks, and bike paths.
North Baton Rouge is also a stain on the city- kids are in a cycle of crime- they go from crappy school to nothing to do. Anytime you have a poor population that large, it’s gonna effect the attractiveness of the city.
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