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re: Do you find it hard to reason with staunch religious people?

Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:24 am to
Posted by yakster
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:24 am to
Well, funny thing is that’s exactly what scripture tells us.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:28 am to
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All you need to do is check out the thread with the loser in Nazi uni. Your fellow “god fearing Christian’s” love that shite.


Your brand of religious zealotry is definitely impossible to reason with.
Posted by Prosecuted Collins
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:45 am to
Religion is a fairy tale. Imagine the time you have wasted reading stories.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:45 am to
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All you need to do is check out the thread with the loser in Nazi uni. Your fellow “god fearing Christian’s” love that shite


What about drunk guy fighting outside of a bar in the middle of the night screams Christianity to you?
Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:48 am to
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Religion is a fairy tale. Imagine the time you have wasted reading stories.



*David Attenborough voice"

Witness the edgy atheist flaunt its massive intellectual prowess in a desperate fight to show superiority
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:51 am to
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Imagine the time you have wasted reading stories.


I think suggesting anyone reading this board is against wasting time is pretty funny. You rhink you're accomplishing anything right now?

I don't consider my religion a waste of time. It's probably near the top of the list of time well spent to me.

Good thing it's my time, not yours, right?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:16 am to
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Religion is a fairy tale. Imagine the time you have wasted reading stories.


You should get on your knees and thank the Lord you have been blessed to be born in and live in a society built on Christian values instead of those built on man’s values.

For context, see Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Communist China, and Communist Cambodia. That’s what happens when a society rejects religion and embraces the values based on man’s morality.

Posted by lionward2014
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:28 am to
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1. I believe the concept of Original Sin (with a literal Adam and Eve) is essential to the integrity of the Bible and Man’s need for redemption through Jesus. If Man didn’t bring death into the world through sin, then its existence is not our fault.

Geological evidence indicates that death existed for hundreds of millions of years before humans appeared. Our first human ancestors were born into a brutal world through no fault of their own. I think this is inconsistent with the Bible.


This is a fundamental misunderstanding then of the idea of original sin and death and sanctity of human life. Animals don't have souls, therefore they cannot have original sin. Animals dying prior to human existent doesn't cancel out human's fall from grace and original sin.

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But where the Bible meets hard science, it has problems.


This is accurate. This is one of the many reasons that sola scriptura fails as a dogmatic belief system. I don't need Adam and Eve to be 100% accurate for me to understand the message of the story. If David didn't slay Goliath, I still get the message that faith in God can help you overcome huge (literally and figuratively) obstacles. If the Son of God spoke in parables, why wouldn't the prophets before him do the same?

However, if your belief in salvation is tied only to the Bible, then it has to be 100% accurate otherwise your belief structure fails.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:30 am to
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Religion is a fairy tale
look at my bio -I like fairy tales

Just because something is a ‘story’ doesn’t mean we can’t learn from it.
Posted by IamPatman
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:31 am to
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:35 am to
So you’re going to use a quote from a fictional character??
Posted by IamPatman
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:39 am to
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So you’re going to use a quote from a fictional character??


Right on cue...pretty silly isn't it? No different than quoting the Bible, Quran, Torah, etc. much less basing your life around it.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:40 am to
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Which Christians are embracing Nazism?


Categorically, definitionally: zero.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:42 am to
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This is one of the many reasons that sola scriptura fails as a dogmatic belief system.


Another straw man.

To the downvoter: please tell me what you think sola scriptura means. Thank you.

Now to the two downvoters, I would love genuinely to hear what you think sola scriptura means.

I’ll help you out with your ChatGPT prompt: “Does sola scriptura mean that all truth and expressions of truth and all knowledge about all things and all times are captured wholly in the canon?”

That is the straw man you guys are flogging with impressive energy.

There we go: three downvoters who can’t even bother going to Catholic answers dot com to get some talking points on canon, sola scriptura, patristics, and “tradition.”

At least make an argument. But the person (or bot) to whom I responded here doesn’t even come close to confronting what sola scriptura even means, to anyone who holds the view.

Ask your priest when he’s taking a break from his ordinary daily routine of (inter alia…turning Jesus’ skin into saltines.

Pardon the (albeit warranted) ridicule. I tried rational discussion and only get double-anonymous voting.
This post was edited on 10/30/25 at 10:42 am
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:42 am to
I’m Catholic - we are terrible Bible quoters. But we have no real way of knowing if the Bible is real or not, whereas we know House is fictional
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 10:42 am
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:45 am to
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the Bible is real



No debate there...


It has survived for centuries, and the historical accounts have been verified, even by atheists.
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:45 am to
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All you need to do is check out the thread with the loser in Nazi uni. Your fellow “god fearing Christian’s” love that shite.


There were people in that thread that were like “I’m christian and I like the thing he was dressed up as”?

Link?
Posted by Globetrotter747
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:49 am to
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You should get on your knees and thank the Lord you have been blessed to be born in and live in a society built on Christian values instead of those built on man’s values.

1. What are these “Christian values” that are so critical to a prosperous society?

2. Was it Christian values that facilitated slavery in the USA? Why did it take many years and a devastating war to end a horrible practice if all these great values have been ingrained in the country since its inception?
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This is a fundamental misunderstanding then of the idea of original sin and death and sanctity of human life. Animals don't have souls, therefore they cannot have original sin. Animals dying prior to human existent doesn't cancel out human's fall from grace and original sin.

1. Many fundamentalist Christians would disagree, and obviously I do as well.

2. What is your alternative? Were the first humans born immortal and free from the hardships associated with prehistoric life?
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I don't need Adam and Eve to be 100% accurate for me to understand the message of the story.

But people believed it word for word (and many still do) before modern science came along with evidence to the contrary. That’s when all the “”Well, maybe that story was just figurative” position developed. I don’t think the story was intended to be figurative. I think it’s just plain wrong.

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If the Son of God spoke in parables, why wouldn't the prophets before him do the same?

If so much of the Bible is figurative, then perhaps the divinity of Jesus is as well.
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 4:05 pm to
It may hold out, to be fair, TD was down for a bit.
Posted by MikeAV8s
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 4:11 pm to
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Yea man, I get that. The thread is asking about our experience with staunchly religious people. I gave mine. Does it upset you or something?


Yea man, I get that too. I gave my opinion. I was just adding to the conversation by putting a match to your strawman, does it upset you or something?
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