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re: Do You Believe in the Theory of Carry Capacity?

Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:40 pm to
I'm a firm believer in the Sam Kinison theory of African food subsidies.

We shouldn't be propping up parts of the world that can't naturally support their population. That just causes population to grow and become even more dependent on food subsidies and imports.

Sam Kinison discussing world hunger
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

You Believe in the Theory of Carry Capcity?


If you don't then your thinking machine is broken.

People sometimes have a limited ability to think on a global scale.

Every ecosystem will have finite resources to sustain life no matter how well they are managed and manipulated which humans are pretty decent at, compared to other plants and animals. There is a global carrying capacity for humans, that can't even be debated, the question is only how many offset by their quality of life. As the capacity gets closer to "full" the quality of life will go down.
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:41 pm to
kill the poor
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:42 pm to
Great minds think alike. I was posting about Sam Kinison while you were making your comment.
Posted by Rollwave034
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:42 pm to
Its not a theory
Posted by colorchangintiger
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:45 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:57 pm to
Sure but I wonder What it is.

With technological advancements in agriculture.

What’s the true limiting resource besides space?
Posted by Sidicous
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:06 pm to
Cull the Herd!

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Posted by TheHarahanian
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:11 pm to

I don’t know why this is a theory. Put 20 billion people on this planet and there won’t be 20 billion for long.
Posted by jb4
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:22 pm to
Space force
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:23 pm to
This planet could easily handle 20 billion people. That is only 3 times what we have currently. Now if you mean overnight adding that many people then no.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:52 pm to
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Of course the concept is correct. But we are nowhere close to that on this planet, where we inhabit a small fraction of the land.

Sure, some places are densely populated and those locales may be near their capacity.

But the planet as a whole? Not even close.


Though I agree with your point we aren't there yet, this isn't about land space per person. It's about resource capacity. There can be millions of uninhabited square miliage, but if the resources to sustain live are not there, it doesn't matter.
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:56 pm to
Doesn’t’ the US government pay farmers to reduce production of crops?
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:01 pm to
Obviously at some point it would be unsustainable, but that is so far away from where we are now it’s not worth worrying about. More people to feed, etc, also means there are more people producing things. The only thing I can see is fossil fuels, but it’s easy to see how they will be replaced in the next couple of hundred years at most anyway.
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:01 pm to
Earth's population will peak in the next 50 years in the neighborhood of 9 billion.

From there it will begin to fall and will never rise again.

By 2100 there will be 8 billion Earthlings.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 4:03 pm
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:02 pm to
I agree with this as well. The population will not keep rising as it has over the last couple of hundred years. Birth rates are through the floor in most developed countries.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:55 pm to


Where did Malthus get that Resources line? Why did he conceive that it was a straight line with a consistent slope over time and how did he determine it’s magnitude and slope?

Even conceptually, with allowances for fudging the details, it’s terribly flawed.


Also, Malthus never considered that humans would reach a point where they stop multiplying exponentially in a resource rich environment and actually start decreasing in numbers, which is what we are seeing now.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 5:02 pm to
Good post, it’s flawed because the resource line being on a consistent slope over time ignores many factors, such as increased technology. People concerned about “over-population” are about 50 years behind the people times. This was big in the 60s and 70s and none of the doomsday predictions have come true. If anything the reverse is becoming a problem in many Asian countries with the populations becoming disproportionately elderly.
Posted by TheOtherSide
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 5:13 pm to
It does not matter how much food is grown or toilet paper is made, without a means or path of distribution people will be without.

Throw a switch off on our planes, trains and trucking, most of us will die through lack of food or by the attempt to locate or secure it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 5:53 pm to
In about 2070, the worlds population begins to decline...
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