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re: Do real people give a shite about "cultural appropriation?"

Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by BamaSaint
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:32 pm to
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melting pot,

At one point, Americans celebrated the fact that we were able to take so many cultures in and blend their ideas, culture, food, etc. into something that was unique to America. Now people want to stone you for celebrating that fact.
Posted by StrongSafety
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:33 pm to
How am I a piece of shite for pointing out and objective, concrete truth -- Black people have had their property (physical and intellectual property) stolen from them for hundreds of years.

Its just a fact. Go ahead and melt I guess, snowflake. The nation had a great article today on just how much land has been stolen from black people.
Posted by StrongSafety
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:35 pm to
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Where do you think we live? A melting pot?


Yes we do and its beautiful. But in doing so, I think its fair to respect each individual cultures history. How is that a problem? We do we just have to use them as prop for some financial gain?

Its as if you can't do both...when you can, and plenty of artist do. the trash/phony artists don't.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:35 pm to
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Black people have had their property (physical and intellectual property) stolen from them for hundreds of years.


And we stole all of Germanys scientists from them and went to the fricking Moon. So as said, frick your cultural appropriation.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 12:19 pm
Posted by StrongSafety
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:39 pm to
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saw people saying this shite on twitter the other day.. They were saying something about how him not being black he shouldn't say he is "bringing the funk back" or some stupid shite. I saw it trending on twitter. Some black folk was saying that, other black folk were telling those black folk to shut up because they were embarrassing themselves.



Who ever was saying Bruno can't sing that is Exhibit A or alt-left/way too far left/leftist extremism that is beyond trash.

I can't stand it either. Bruno has even homage and praise to those great artists that have come before him; he's an authentic dude who respects the culture (and therefore its people) and the art form.

This is when I hate the left, then they just say dumb and stupid shite. I remember once someone told me that Beyonce and other black female artists was only for black people, and thought it was quite honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard come out of an educated persons mouth.
Posted by StrongSafety
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:40 pm to
Germans dont have AA's history in this country.

That argument doesn't work.

Next, #melt
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:40 pm to
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Its as if you can't do both...when you can, and plenty of artist do. the trash/phony artists don't.

so basically if you/"the culture" doesn't/don't like a non black artist practicing a predominantly black art, it's disrespectful and needs to stop?

it sounds like childish bitching.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:40 pm to
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But in doing so, I think its fair to respect each individual cultures history.


Do you respect cultural boundaries or are you true to your culture 100% of the time?

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
Posted by BamaSaint
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:42 pm to
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Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

Exactly. I guess they want reparations for that too.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:43 pm to
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But in doing so, I think its fair to respect each individual cultures history


If they're worth emulating, then the greatest culture the world has ever seen emulating them is showing mad respect.

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We do we just have to use them as prop for some financial gain?


Theres no such thing as a complete original. Should Eminem not be allowed to rap with it being a historically black practice? Should white people not be able to make Chinese food for financial gain? Should a person be allowed to make a movie and not take some tips from the Japanese?

This is a shittier world with this cultural appropriation vision. That's a fact. Sorry if it hurts some people's feelings (ie mostly delusional white people) but facts don't care about your feelings.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:45 pm to
i can understand the thought process behind most of these progressive ideas, but cultural appropriation is possibly the most idiotic.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:46 pm to
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so basically if you/"the culture" doesn't/don't like a non black artist practicing a predominantly black art, it's disrespectful and needs to stop?

it sounds like childish bitching.



Well no, but some critics are like that. There are gonna be some AA that just hate because they don't want a non black person singing their art form. They are weary of their reasons for doing so. I think those people suck but their sentiments come from a real place that needs to be consider but they still suck.

Mostly its about authenticity. Authenticity to the AA community is a REAL issue. Are you down with them or are you just using them for profit? this is a group that has been sold for profits, sold out by Uncle Toms, embarassed by shucker and jivers in minstrel shows, etc. You can't separate their history from their thought process. Authencity is a form of survival.

You ave to understand black people and their history to get it. Clearly here, no one does or cares to or thinks its a matter of importance. Thus you'll never understand the gripes. I'm Not saying you don't understand it GreatLakes.

The gripes can be overblown though. I think JT and Bruno get unfair criticism. JLo too
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 7:47 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:46 pm to
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You ave to understand black people and their history to get it.

Ahh...dear god, there it is.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:49 pm to
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Its as if you can't do both...when you can, and plenty of artist do. the trash/phony artists don't.


Bull-fricking-shite. What if the Tolkien estate or Miyamoto sued an author or developer respectively everytime they took something from their respected playbook? Then fantasy and video games would dead as genres.

And speaking of Miyamoto, here's a great example of cultural appropriation gone right. Miyamoto envisioned a game where a guy was climbing up a building to save his girlfriend. He couldn't get the rights to Popeye, so instead he just decided to take the plot from King Kong and call it "Donkey Kong".

Universal then decided to sue them saying it defamed their brand and demanded they be decommissioned. Fortunately the lawsuit failed, and in response we got Mario, Donkey Kong, and the Nintendo Entertainment System. With your mentality, then how dare they do such a thing, and video games would be dead as a whole.

That's a small of thousands of examples.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:50 pm to
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If they're worth emulating, then the greatest culture the world has ever seen emulating them is showing mad respect.


That doesn't mesh up with the treatment black people get or the portrayal they receive for doing the same actions.

I could list you thousands of soul singers that sing just as well or better than Sam Smith ( not saying he appropriates), but there is a certain mainstream appeal to a blue-eyed soul singer that has always drawn in more crowds that black artists with the same talent set. Lets not deny this; I will say, the brits do a great job with their soul musicians and have usually been great with the respect/homage.

Posted by StrongSafety
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:51 pm to
If people got it, they wouldn't come to half of their conclusions.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:51 pm to
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Germans dont have AA's history in this country.



So can white cultures steal from each other but not others? Is that the case you're making here?

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That argument doesn't work.



It absolutely does, it just shows you're being a racist.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:53 pm to
Thats not even remotely the same. We're talking about an american company and a native japanese production.

No one here was enslaved, beaten, sold, raped, murdered, terrorized or had their original cultures and religions ripped away from them. They are not comparable, and never will be.

Posted by BamaSaint
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:54 pm to
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Clearly here, no one does or cares to or thinks its a matter of importance

No, most of us don't give a frick. We think, get over what happened 100 years ago, 50 years ago. If you think your rap, mac & cheese, clothes, whatever, are better, than start your own business and profit just like the people they are jealous of did. Don't try to shut that down because you hate people making money. Do something about it and make your own money
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108189 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:54 pm to
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You ave to understand black people and their history to get it. Clearly here, no one does or cares to or thinks its a matter of importance. Thus you'll never understand the gripes. I'm Not saying you don't understand it GreatLakes.


So in your fricked up mind, should white people be allowed to cook dishes on their own that have historical black origins? What about tacos? White people didn't come up with them, so can we make tacos on our own, or are we a bunch of racists for doing such?
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