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re: Do people realize the fuel for EVs is Petroleum?
Posted on 9/2/24 at 1:54 pm to BigB0882
Posted on 9/2/24 at 1:54 pm to BigB0882
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Have you ever considered that some people buy EVs because they can be a lot of fun to drive and it’s nice to charge at home and not have to stop for gas or oil changes? I’m not trying to save the world, I just really really like my Tesla.
Same here. I dont care one bit about the supposed environment savings. My Tesla is a lot of fun to drive, I don’t ever have to stop at a gas station, and it was no more expensive than the ICE vehicles I was considering. The instant torque and full self driving alone are fun as hell
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 1:58 pm
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Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:06 pm to Saunson69
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the sources of power for EVs is natural gas which is petroleum.
46% of NY's electric power comes from CH4 and now the political fools want to force homes and businesses to heat with electricity. Electric heating costs 4 or 5 times what natural gas does. On this fact, I have the receipts.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 3:23 pm to MidWestGuy
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Because too many of the EV owners made their choice using our money (tax dollars).
This is hilarious. Oil and Gas is heavily subsidized.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 4:09 pm to Rust Cohle
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1 gallon of gasoline burned produces about 19.6 pounds of CO2.
I'm not a chemist or physicist so please explain to me how does a 6 pound gallon of gasoline create 19 pounds of CO2 gas when burned?
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:27 pm to Saunson69
I always thought it was an outlet in the wall???...Lol
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:39 pm to Saunson69
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Do people realize the fuel for EVs is Petroleum?
Absolutely false. Stop spreading fake news to get Kamala elected. Chicken should ban you, but unfortunately he’s a hen and not a rooster.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 6:59 pm to MintBerry Crunch
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And yet it’s still more efficient
It’s significantly more. The whole we burn fossil fuels to charge EVs, while true, is a silly red herring.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:09 pm to TCO
quote:Please explain in detail.
This is hilarious. Oil and Gas is heavily subsidized.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:11 pm to deeprig9
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I'm not a chemist or physicist so please explain to me how does a 6 pound gallon of gasoline create 19 pounds of CO2 gas when burned?
The O2. Gas only brings carbon to the party, your car takes in O2 from the air. Give or take a pure conversion will make 19 lbs of CO2 and some amount of water from the hydrogen in the gas combing with the O2.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:14 pm to Saunson69
So, can you buy Tianeptine down at the electric company?
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:21 pm to Azkiger
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Those are package warranties that cover hundreds or thousands of parts and only represent confidence is the weakest links.
OK, which ICE components carry warranties past 100k miles?
Also consider the implications of warranties in general. It would be really stupid for a manufacturer of anything to offer a warranty period at or near the MTTF.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:33 pm to PhysicsGuy
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The whole we burn fossil fuels to charge EVs, while true, is a silly red herring.
The main issue is people claiming it’s for the environment when just producing them alone emits more emissions than a regular car burns in its lifetime. EVs are not environmentally friendly whatsoever. Maybe that changes one day
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:52 pm to lostinbr
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OK, which ICE components carry warranties past 100k miles?
None, because, again, the warranty package takes the weakest links into consideration. So even though Honda could easily well beyond 100k miles for a Civic engine block warranty, since it's lumped in with O2 sensors and thermostats, they're going to limit the overall warranty because they're taking things like O2 sensors and thermostats into consideration, not because they're not confident in their engine blocks lasting more than 100k miles.
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Also consider the implications of warranties in general. It would be really stupid for a manufacturer of anything to offer a warranty period at or near the MTTF.
Agreed. But consider how the battery warranty works.
For example, so long as your 2023 Chevrolet Bolt retains 60% of it's battery efficiency, it's not considered broke.
Going off it's marketed 259 range, lets assume you're not operating it under perfect conditions and are getting 90% of that (I don't own an EV, but Claude.ai is saying most are in the 70-80% range, but some conditions allow for 90+%). So the range you should expect is 233. 60% of that is 140 miles.
So, as long as your Bolt is getting around 140+ miles per full charge, it's considered working properly. Or a 117 mile range if you're closer to the 75% mark.
That's a lot of leeway for it to not be considered broken or replaceable.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:09 pm to texag7
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The main issue is people claiming it’s for the environment when just producing them alone emits more emissions than a regular car burns in its lifetime. EVs are not environmentally friendly whatsoever. Maybe that changes one day
I get what you're saying and I also don't know the cumulative emissions (construction and operation) of them to compare, but you still have to build ice vehicles too and that process emits tons. You can't make the comparison of just an ice vehicles emissions and compare to the construction emissions of EVs and say look not green(er).
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:25 pm to Azkiger
quote:may have been true a decade ago. Not true anymore. The newer EV batteries in the Teslas are far outliving the 120k mile (or 8 year) warranty.
especially considering the battery replacement every 5ish years.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:27 pm to lostinbr
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It would be really stupid for a manufacturer of anything to offer a warranty period at or near the MTTF.
I’ve seen warranties 2X MTTF. It’s a just reserve modeling exercise. I’m convinced that all HVAC companies do this, bank on 100% replacement, then whatever they can do to decline warranties is just margin fluff.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:30 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:32 pm to BigB0882
quote:exactly this.
Have you ever considered that some people buy EVs because they can be a lot of fun to drive and it’s nice to charge at home and not have to stop for gas or oil changes? I’m not trying to save the world, I just really really like my Tesla.
I’ve spent about $45 to go 2,200 miles in my Tesla which is also a nice plus on top of the things you mentioned. Going 0-60 in under 3 seconds is a whole lot of fun too
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:33 pm to TigerTatorTots
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may have been true a decade ago. Not true anymore. The newer EV batteries in the Teslas are far outliving the 120k mile (or 8 year) warranty.
Powerwalls are going well past 8 years at this point and they cycle much harder than basically every EV out there.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:41 pm to MidWestGuy
quote:wrong, I made the choice using my own tax dollars. I’ve paid enough into the fricked up system to finally get something from it.
Because too many of the EV owners made their choice using our money (tax dollars).
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