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re: 'Disturbing' human trafficking arrests made in Natchitoches
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:47 am to Boudreaux35
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:47 am to Boudreaux35
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I'm guessing it was probably more like simply a decent size chain, like someone might have in a pick up truck
Is the girth of the chain important when used to keep another human being in forced bandage?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:29 am to Clyde Tipton
There is so much of this story I don't understand. It seems like it started as some weird internet BDSM thing and then got real. Who "meets" someone online and agrees to move in with them - and has them drive to their state to pick them up? What was the original arrangement? What kind of Harley was it? I'd like for everyone involved to undergo a psyche evaluation.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:37 am to GaryMyMan
From the comments:
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The victim is a transvestite called Pickles. This is pretty much a slave/master relationship gone wrong. Averlock Investigations, shared her slave registration. Only when the punishments got too severe did she express wanting to leave and they should of let her, if she continued to be punished after wanting to leave, they should face charges, although it sounds horrible, this story isn't as bad as they try to make it.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:42 am to jbgleason
OK. So I caught a butt load of flak for my earlier comment regarding my opinion that "Human Trafficking" is simply a new buzzword for government entities, celebrity/social groups and politicians to make it look like they are doing something. Granted, I didn't read the entire story like I should have so I went back this morning and researched over coffee. Guess what? Despite the depravity of that situation, I was right. There wasn't a single thing in that story or any of these stories lately that isn't covered by existing statutes. They beat her? Battery charges. They held her against her will? False Imprisonment. They took her against her will? Kidnapping. In fact, although the three arrested were charged with "Human Trafficking" (cue press release) they were also charged with each of. The individual crimes I mentioned. BTW, zero indication a firearm was involved at any point yet they announce the seizure of 17 guns from the guy and put them on a table for press photographs. Scary huh? My point was, we need fewer laws with effective enforcement and not feel good buzzwords.
So what is this whole HUMAN TRAFFICKING thing about? Hmmm, I reviewed the statute as well. Did anyone else read it? Because the only point to it that isn't covered in existing statutes is near the end. FORFEITURE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY for people arrested for this crime. I really hate forfeiture. We think you did it so we are going to take your stuff and you have to sue us to get it back. This is the worst government policy around. They don't prove you did it, you prove you didn't.
So I stand by the spirit of my original comment. "Human Trafficking" is a load of crap. The events related in the OP are certainly bizarre and OT worthy though.
Statute text below for anyone who wants to study up.
§46.2. Human trafficking
A. It shall be unlawful:
(1) For any person to knowingly recruit, harbor, transport, provide, solicit, obtain, or maintain the use of another person through fraud, force, or coercion to provide services or labor.
(2) For any person to knowingly benefit from activity prohibited by the provisions of this Section.
(3) For any person to knowingly facilitate any of the activities prohibited by the provisions of this Section by any means, including but not limited to helping, aiding, abetting, or conspiring, regardless of whether a thing of value has been promised to or received by the person.
B.(1) Except as provided in Paragraphs (2) and (3) of this Subsection, whoever commits the crime of human trafficking shall be fined not more than ten thousand dollars and shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not more than ten years.
(2) Whoever commits the crime of human trafficking when the services include commercial sexual activity or any sexual conduct constituting a crime under the laws of this state shall be fined not more than fifteen thousand dollars and shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not more than twenty years.
(3) Whoever commits the crime of human trafficking when the trafficking involves a person under the age of eighteen shall be fined not more than twenty-five thousand dollars and shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not less than five nor more than twenty-five years, five years of which shall be without the benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.
(4)(a) In addition, the court shall order that the personal property used in the commission of the offense shall be seized and impounded, and after conviction, sold at public sale or public auction by the district attorney in accordance with R.S. 15:539.1.
(b) The personal property made subject to seizure and sale pursuant to Subparagraph (a) of this Paragraph may include, but shall not be limited to, electronic communication devices, computers, computer related equipment, motor vehicles, photographic equipment used to record or create still or moving visual images of the victim that are recorded on paper, film, video tape, disc, or any other type of digital recording media.
So what is this whole HUMAN TRAFFICKING thing about? Hmmm, I reviewed the statute as well. Did anyone else read it? Because the only point to it that isn't covered in existing statutes is near the end. FORFEITURE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY for people arrested for this crime. I really hate forfeiture. We think you did it so we are going to take your stuff and you have to sue us to get it back. This is the worst government policy around. They don't prove you did it, you prove you didn't.
So I stand by the spirit of my original comment. "Human Trafficking" is a load of crap. The events related in the OP are certainly bizarre and OT worthy though.
Statute text below for anyone who wants to study up.
§46.2. Human trafficking
A. It shall be unlawful:
(1) For any person to knowingly recruit, harbor, transport, provide, solicit, obtain, or maintain the use of another person through fraud, force, or coercion to provide services or labor.
(2) For any person to knowingly benefit from activity prohibited by the provisions of this Section.
(3) For any person to knowingly facilitate any of the activities prohibited by the provisions of this Section by any means, including but not limited to helping, aiding, abetting, or conspiring, regardless of whether a thing of value has been promised to or received by the person.
B.(1) Except as provided in Paragraphs (2) and (3) of this Subsection, whoever commits the crime of human trafficking shall be fined not more than ten thousand dollars and shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not more than ten years.
(2) Whoever commits the crime of human trafficking when the services include commercial sexual activity or any sexual conduct constituting a crime under the laws of this state shall be fined not more than fifteen thousand dollars and shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not more than twenty years.
(3) Whoever commits the crime of human trafficking when the trafficking involves a person under the age of eighteen shall be fined not more than twenty-five thousand dollars and shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not less than five nor more than twenty-five years, five years of which shall be without the benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.
(4)(a) In addition, the court shall order that the personal property used in the commission of the offense shall be seized and impounded, and after conviction, sold at public sale or public auction by the district attorney in accordance with R.S. 15:539.1.
(b) The personal property made subject to seizure and sale pursuant to Subparagraph (a) of this Paragraph may include, but shall not be limited to, electronic communication devices, computers, computer related equipment, motor vehicles, photographic equipment used to record or create still or moving visual images of the victim that are recorded on paper, film, video tape, disc, or any other type of digital recording media.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:46 am to biglego
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Would human trafficking exist if prostitution was legal?
Yes, without a doubt.
What for? What are humans trafficked for in the US other than sex slaves? I don't hear of human trafficking for any industry that's legal.
Legal prostitution has the potential to make HT much worse in the short term. Over time it may get better but there will still be someone shipping women in, without a doubt.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:47 am to ForeverLSU02
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The victim is a transvestite called Pickles
WTF
tranny, named itself pickles, volunteered to be a slave
serious help this thing needs
This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:50 am to jbgleason
You should have said something along those lines in your first post.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:51 am to jbgleason
quote:
There wasn't a single thing in that story or any of these stories lately that isn't covered by existing statutes.
You're missing the point. Human trafficking is not a fit descriptor for the OP, true, but to imply that all human trafficking is just plain old prostitution makes you look ignorant as frick. That's what people jumped on you for. Do a little reading on the asian sex trade and you'll understand that being shipped here against your will and forced to work for free to "pay for the ride" is a lot different than a meth head getting a twenty to jerk a fat guy off.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:57 am to GaryMyMan
Craziest part is that there was a 15 & 16 year old there. Did they know what was going on? You would have to think so. "...welp, looks like they got another slave. Maybe this one will iron my clothes a little better."
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:57 am to LSUvegasbombed
I, too, once had a pet named Pickles
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:09 am to jbgleason
quote:
§46.2. Human trafficking
A. It shall be unlawful:
(1) For any person to knowingly recruit, harbor, transport, provide, solicit, obtain, or maintain the use of another person through fraud, force, or coercion to provide services or labor.
This is interesting.
"Knowingly recruit"...."through coercion to provide services"
Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of intimidation or threats or some other form of pressure or force. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm.
Damn! Just read thru Section A, 1-3 and it seems like there are plenty of "organizations" who fit that exact crime.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:09 am to ForeverLSU02
quote:
I, too, once had a pet named Pickles
i had a pet pickle
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:18 pm to Clyde Tipton
These are the Private Investigators out of Baton Rouge who worked this case. Really crazy photos of the people involved.
LINK
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:24 pm to Clyde Tipton
Holy shite that is a weird story. I feel like I need a shower just reading that garbage. ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconbarf.gif)
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