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re: Did you go to church growing up?
Posted on 2/5/22 at 12:56 pm to Liberator
Posted on 2/5/22 at 12:56 pm to Liberator
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Priest holding up the host after a formulaic prayer and ritual pagan tradition of incense burning
How is this pagan when God instructed Moses to burn offerings for its sweet smell? It comes from the Jewish tradition.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:02 pm to GreenRockTiger
Legit point.
Old Testament instruction and tradition from God is the context.
The Catholic Mass's rites, rituals, prayers, (Marian / Saints) worship and symbolism?
Not quite the same meaning and purpose -- especially with respect to the ritual of pre-Communion.
Old Testament instruction and tradition from God is the context.
The Catholic Mass's rites, rituals, prayers, (Marian / Saints) worship and symbolism?
Not quite the same meaning and purpose -- especially with respect to the ritual of pre-Communion.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:03 pm to Greenie10
Sorry that celebrating Christ isn’t convenient for you at mass.
This is the problem with people today. It’s all about “me, me, me”. Absolutely no sacrifice, because it’s “inconvenient & boring’
This is the problem with people today. It’s all about “me, me, me”. Absolutely no sacrifice, because it’s “inconvenient & boring’
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:09 pm to Liberator
Catholic Mass comes from the Jewish traditions … Jesus was participating in a Seder meal at the last supper and instructed the apostles to do the same in memory of Him - that is the Mass. nothing about the rituals of the Catholic Church are made up - except maybe the time of year they are held. Jesus instructed the Apostles - that’s coming from God.
Catholics do not worship Mary or the Saints, we ask them to pray for us. Just the same as when you ask a friend for prayers. We look up to them for help in our spiritual life, just as people have role models and mentors.
Of course humans have ruined what Christ instituted. That happens with everything. Even Jesus complained about what the Jewish leaders did to Judaism.
Catholics do not worship Mary or the Saints, we ask them to pray for us. Just the same as when you ask a friend for prayers. We look up to them for help in our spiritual life, just as people have role models and mentors.
Of course humans have ruined what Christ instituted. That happens with everything. Even Jesus complained about what the Jewish leaders did to Judaism.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:11 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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(To: Greenie) Sorry that celebrating Christ isn’t convenient for you at mass.
This is the problem with people today. It’s all about “me, me, me”. Absolutely no sacrifice, because it’s “inconvenient & boring’
To be fair, I understand where Greenie is coming from. (especially when you're young).
It's not really his fault that the whole experience made no rhyme or reason. The lack of explanation and reinforcement of Church Fellowship and God's Word is the problem.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:16 pm to SaintlyTiger88
We went rarely. My parents were definitely believers but not very active in their faith. I think that’s a big reason why I’m an atheist. I was exposed to religion but didn’t have it crammed down my throat.
Christianity is one of those things future generations are going to laugh about one day as being silly and primitive. Science will continue to answer questions, Jesus will continue to not show up, people will become less psychologically dependent on God, and they will move on.
Christianity is one of those things future generations are going to laugh about one day as being silly and primitive. Science will continue to answer questions, Jesus will continue to not show up, people will become less psychologically dependent on God, and they will move on.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:17 pm to Liberator
Here’s the thing, as much as we know now, we will never be able to understand what happens before and after life. Everything is just a theory, and a way to bring peace to what you believe happens after our life here on earth is done.
What turns me off from religion, is how some people don’t even understand how small minded they are, and how their perception of reality is skewed because of religion, and it affects their life decisions and friendships. Religion also just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me, and never really did.
What turns me off from religion, is how some people don’t even understand how small minded they are, and how their perception of reality is skewed because of religion, and it affects their life decisions and friendships. Religion also just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me, and never really did.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:22 pm to GreenRockTiger
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Catholic Mass comes from the Jewish traditions … Jesus was participating in a Seder meal at the last supper and instructed the apostles to do the same in memory of Him - that is the Mass.
Agree.
quote:
Nothing about the rituals of the Catholic Church are made up - except maybe the time of year they are held.
Untrue.
quote:
Catholics do not worship Mary or the Saints, we ask them to pray for us.
I can't speak for your Church specific worship, but the official worship of Mary and the Saints -- and prayers to either are un-Biblical. They are/were human. Jesus is God. That's the difference.
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We look up to them for help in our spiritual life, just as people have role models and mentors.
It's one thing to acknowledge their respective blessedness as vessels for God; having an admiration for and being inspired for all of them -- they were all chosen by God in their mortal roles. But it is quite another to pray specifically TO them for special intercession. They not only can't hear us, scripturally, it's Jesus Christ we are commanded to pray to.
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Of course humans have ruined what Christ instituted. That happens with everything. Even Jesus complained about what the Jewish leaders did to Judaism.
I hear ya and absolutely concur.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:24 pm to Globetrotter747
quote:
Christianity is one of those things future generations are going to laugh about one day as being silly and primitive.
True. And as you’ll notice society will
be crumbling around it. It’s already happening.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:34 pm to Liberator
quote:it's called the intercession of prayer. Catholics aren't praying to Mary and they saints, they are asking Mary and the saints to pray for them.
I can't speak for your Church specific worship, but the official worship of Mary and the Saints -- and prayers to either are un-Biblical. They are/were human. Jesus is God. That's the difference.
Look at the text of the hail Mary. "Holy Mary mother of god, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death".
It basically reads: hey Mary, you rock. Pray for us.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:34 pm to sta4ever
quote:
Here’s the thing, as much as we know now, we will never be able to understand what happens before and after life.
Everything is just a theory, and a way to bring peace to what you believe happens after our life here on earth is done.
Rather than "everything is a 'theory'", we are asked to trust & believe as a measure of faith in God's Word AND especially His Promises.
THAT is the meaning and purpose of the Gospel -- which fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies.
Beyond mere "peace", it is true that God may not be specific in our roles and life in His Kingdom for all Eternity. But what DOES He promise after our mortal coil is done and the smoke clears on Judgement Day?
What better promise for us is there than THIS:
Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”
~ 1 Corinthians 2:9
There you have it. We cannot imagine the promise of Glory Imagined which He has prepared for us -- those who remain faithful in Him. FOREVER.
What else?:
"And He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more nor mourning nor crying nor pain; they will be no more, because the former things have passed away."
~ Revelation 21:4
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:37 pm to SaintlyTiger88
My parents made me until I was 18. Didn’t really buy into it, but it developed a strong moral code that I carry to this day
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:44 pm to Globetrotter747
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Christianity is one of those things future generations are going to laugh about one day as being silly and primitive. Science will continue to answer questions...
That's beyond sad.
"Religion being crammed down my throat" is a common complaint of eventual Atheists.
I get that. Super-aggressive "Christians" who never really WERE Christians -- and didn't understand it or the Gospel themselves.
Do not let that bad experience and terrible presentation of "God" hijack your potential Salvation in His Kingdom. Fight for your own soul!
You cannot allow "The Science" to become a substitute for God. This deception will abandon you on Judgement Day. Re-think this.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:45 pm to Liberator
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You cannot allow "The Science" to become a substitute for God. This deception will abandon you on Judgement Day. Re-think this.
If this were a realistic way of thinking, we would still be throwing virgins into volcanos.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:46 pm to LSUballs
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True. And as you’ll notice society will be crumbling around it. It’s already happening.
Oh yeah? Tell me about all the wars and injustices of every other century and compare them to the first quarter of the 21st century.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:59 pm to Liberator
quote:
Catholic Mass comes from the Jewish traditions … Jesus was participating in a Seder meal at the last supper and instructed the apostles to do the same in memory of Him - that is the Mass.
Agree.
- Agree
quote:
Nothing about the rituals of the Catholic Church are made up - except maybe the time of year they are held.
Untrue.
- Wrong. This is correct.
quote:
Catholics do not worship Mary or the Saints, we ask them to pray for us.
I can't speak for your Church specific worship, but the official worship of Mary and the Saints -- and prayers to either are un-Biblical. They are/were human. Jesus is God. That's the difference.
- Wrong. Catholics do not worship Mary and the Saints. All prayers to them are for intercession.
quote:
We look up to them for help in our spiritual life, just as people have role models and mentors.
It's one thing to acknowledge their respective blessedness as vessels for God; having an admiration for and being inspired for all of them -- they were all chosen by God in their mortal roles. But it is quite another to pray specifically TO them for special intercession. They not only can't hear us, scripturally, it's Jesus Christ we are commanded to pray to.
- Wrong. See previous statement. Read the Catechism for rules & explanation of Catholic beliefs.
quote:
Of course humans have ruined what Christ instituted. That happens with everything. Even Jesus complained about what the Jewish leaders did to Judaism.
I hear ya and absolutely concur.
- Agree
Catholic Mass comes from the Jewish traditions … Jesus was participating in a Seder meal at the last supper and instructed the apostles to do the same in memory of Him - that is the Mass.
Agree.
- Agree
quote:
Nothing about the rituals of the Catholic Church are made up - except maybe the time of year they are held.
Untrue.
- Wrong. This is correct.
quote:
Catholics do not worship Mary or the Saints, we ask them to pray for us.
I can't speak for your Church specific worship, but the official worship of Mary and the Saints -- and prayers to either are un-Biblical. They are/were human. Jesus is God. That's the difference.
- Wrong. Catholics do not worship Mary and the Saints. All prayers to them are for intercession.
quote:
We look up to them for help in our spiritual life, just as people have role models and mentors.
It's one thing to acknowledge their respective blessedness as vessels for God; having an admiration for and being inspired for all of them -- they were all chosen by God in their mortal roles. But it is quite another to pray specifically TO them for special intercession. They not only can't hear us, scripturally, it's Jesus Christ we are commanded to pray to.
- Wrong. See previous statement. Read the Catechism for rules & explanation of Catholic beliefs.
quote:
Of course humans have ruined what Christ instituted. That happens with everything. Even Jesus complained about what the Jewish leaders did to Judaism.
I hear ya and absolutely concur.
- Agree
Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:00 pm to tiggerthetooth
You missed the whole point of what I was saying..
Maybe you should try going to church.
I don’t go to worship myself.
I go to church for what I get out of it and for what my family gets out of it when I bring them.
We go as a family.
Look around at the broken families and marriages you know, I am willing to bet majority, not all so don’t misquote me, but majority do not go to church on a regular basis..
I rest my case.
Maybe you should try going to church.
I don’t go to worship myself.
I go to church for what I get out of it and for what my family gets out of it when I bring them.
We go as a family.
Look around at the broken families and marriages you know, I am willing to bet majority, not all so don’t misquote me, but majority do not go to church on a regular basis..
I rest my case.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:14 pm to GreenRockTiger
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This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 6:39 am
Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:45 pm to Zappas Stache
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Is that like a baptism?
Sheesh this dude has it out for you cause you're an atheist. How Godly.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:50 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Attended occasionally with my grandmother because she would take me to Piccadilly afterward. Stopped going in 7th or 8th grade once I realized I didn’t believe and have never looked back, though I am glad it provides a sense of community for some people.
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