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re: Did i see a possible dry run for a terrorist attack?
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:41 pm to baytiger
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:41 pm to baytiger
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but most of the likely ones are.
No doubt.
A couple years ago, I was driving over the Miss. River Bridge in BR, and I saw someone at the middle of it, over the edge, doing something, and there were wires everywhere.
Now, I didn't even see if the dude was white, purple, or whatever, but I called 911 to let them know. And they said they had gotten several calls about that, and that they had checked on it, and it was just routine maintenance being done. And I never thought again about it. But I'd damn sure have felt like shite if the bridge blew up hours later or something, and I hadn't made that call.
Sometimes "better safe than sorry" fits.
Is it alarmist to think these guys were terrorists on a dry run? Sure. But is it out of the question to think that could be a potentially dangerous situation, or at least one worth alerting someone about it? I don't think so.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:42 pm to Michael J Cocks
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You said yourself in this day and age and the climate we live in people can't ignore this shite.
But apparently everybody else did ignore it.
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When they have the back packs, it's fricking go time, not a practice run.
Right. I'll assume you know this because you've been trained by Al-Qaeda. Either that, or you're just assuming you know how terrorists operate.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:43 pm to CocomoLSU
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Nah, you're exactly trying to be a dick. That part is clear.
No, I started out in this thread on his side and thought it out rationally, my tone didn't change until about page 5 because I have strong feelings about this shite. He wants a fricking pat on the back for racial profiling someone, he did nothing to help his fellow man or improve the situation.
I'm not gonna have this argument with you. He had enough time to leave the store as soon as they did if he was really concerned, he could have went back to his car and got a detailed description. As it stands, he finished his shopping and waited an hour later to call and report pretty much nothing.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:44 pm to Michael J Cocks
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He wants a fricking pat on the back for racial profiling someone
Yes, clearly:
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Am i right to be freaking out here???
To me, that SCREAMS begging for a pat on the back.
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I'm not gonna have this argument with you.
That's fine. Then stop responding.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:45 pm to Michael J Cocks
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his reasoning changes to fit his story.
The timeline of my story has been consistent from the start. What DID change over time was my thoughts/reactions to what occurred. I went from being "moderately" concerned when I was walking into Walmart, to extremely concerned when they started scanning the store, to relieved whenever they left. After they left, I tried to just tell myself that it was nothing and I should just forget it. But the longer I thought about it, the more i realized something really fishy was going on. The only chance I woulda had to call the cops in time would've been right whenever I got out of my car. At that point in time, i did not have enough information to justify calling the police. By the time I did have enough information, they were walking out the store and odds are would've been long gone by the time the cops arrived. A very hypocritical part of your argument is that 1) i should've called the cops when i was outside the store (when i had limited information) and that 2) this whole situation was not justifiable enough to be concerned in the first place. So which is it???
I agree with Cocomo that you are just being an a-hole to be an a-hole. I thoroughly disassemble your arguments and then you try to move on to the next one.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:46 pm to CocomoLSU
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Right. I'll assume you know this because you've been trained by Al-Qaeda. Either that, or you're just assuming you know how terrorists operate.
no you're right coke. Al Qaeda's new videos teach them to attract as much attention to themselves as possible before executing an attack.
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But apparently everybody else did ignore it.
Because there probably wasn't nothing to see. This shite may have not even happened. Mother frickers throw stones at everyone on here for making false claims all the time, but this once it has to be true?
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:47 pm to CCT
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GeneralLee, FWIW, you did right.
Thanks, CCT. Anyone reasonable can see the hypocrisy of Kstout and MJC's arguments. They are telling me, at the same time, that I am overreacting and don't need to tell the authorities, yet I also should have called the cops way earlier than I did.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:47 pm to GeneralLee
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I thoroughly disassemble your arguments and then you try to move on to the next one.
I must have missed this part
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:47 pm to GeneralLee
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I thoroughly disassemble your arguments and then you try to move on to the next one.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:49 pm to GeneralLee
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Thanks, CCT. Anyone reasonable can see the hypocrisy of Kstout and MJC's arguments. They are telling me, at the same time, that I am overreacting and don't need to tell the authorities, yet I also should have called the cops way earlier than I did.
No you definitely did the right thing. You started several messages on different message boards about how traumatized you are about something that didn't happen.
If you think you did something by calling 911 and pretty much giving them nothing to work with, then I'll agree with that too and give you a high five.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:49 pm to jwall3
I think you should call the authorities, however, I think you should have done it at the time to be more consistent with your story of how you felt and reacted. I think calling was definitely the right thing. But then you come on here and blow it into terrorist for sure stuff and tell everyone else they are stupid.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:50 pm to jwall3
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I think you should call the authorities, however, I think you should have done it at the time to be more consistent with your story of how you felt and reacted. I think calling was definitely the right thing. But then you come on here and blow it into terrorist for sure stuff and tell everyone else they are stupid.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:52 pm to GeneralLee
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Thanks, CCT. Anyone reasonable can see the hypocrisy of Kstout and MJC's arguments. They are telling me, at the same time, that I am overreacting and don't need to tell the authorities, yet I also should have called the cops way earlier than I did.
Woa partner. I never said you should call the cops. MJC might have but not me. My argument has been that you put too much stock into what would happen if a wal-mart was blown up.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:52 pm to Michael J Cocks
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If you think you did something by calling 911 and pretty much giving them nothing to work with, then I'll agree with that too and give you a high five.
All that the authorities will have to do is look at the WalMart surveillance tapes and they will get a good profile of who these two men are. I have told them 1) the time (within a 5-10 minute time span), 2) the location and entrance and 3) a basic description of the two men in question. I wish so bad that these tapes could be made public to exonerate me from the baseless attacks you people have made against me. But they probably never will be made public due to privacy laws.
This post was edited on 6/14/08 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:53 pm to stout
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Woa partner. I never said you should call the cops. MJC might have but not me. My argument has been that you put too much stock into what would happen if a wal-mart was blown up.
My argument was if this situation was as serious as he claims, he would have shown way more of a sense of urgency. Not ponder it in his head for an hour, then seek our opinions.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:54 pm to CocomoLSU
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Is it alarmist to think these guys were terrorists on a dry run? Sure. But is it out of the question to think that could be a potentially dangerous situation, or at least one worth alerting someone about it? I don't think so.
Yes, it's alarmist. If they were just scoping the Walmart to blow it up later, they'd have tried as hard as possible not to look suspicious... no backpacks, for example. If they were going in with backpacks full of explosives, they'd have blown it up anyway, especially if they didn't care about the number of casualties.
Anyway, if terrorists were planning to blow up a Walmart, why would they go to Champagne, Illinois and do it? I've been to Champagne.. if it weren't for the college, there would be nothing there. If they wanted to be disruptive, they'd have taken the two hour drive to Chicago and done some damage there.
The fact of the matter is that it's incredibly irrational to jump to the conclusion that these guys were terrorists. He did the wrong thing by calling the authorities. Now they're going to scan the Walmart security cameras, identify these two guys who did nothing wrong, and put them on an FBI watch list for the rest of their lives.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:55 pm to Michael J Cocks
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Not ponder it in his head for an hour, then seek our opinions.
I called the cops before I even posted on here. I was discouraged by the lack of response from them so I thought I should get some opinions on if i should then take this to the FBI instead.
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:57 pm to baytiger
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they'd have tried as hard as possible not to look suspicious... no backpacks, for example.
That is the hole in his story IMO. If they now how Americans view them, sice terrorist are so smart, why bring anymore attention to themselves than need be. The whole "they were seeing if they could get the backpacks in" argument holds no water.
This post was edited on 6/14/08 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 6/14/08 at 6:58 pm to GeneralLee
Then we must be on to something here. IMO
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I called the cops before I even posted on here. I was discouraged by the lack of response from them
This post was edited on 6/14/08 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 6/14/08 at 7:01 pm to stout
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That is the hole in his story IMO. If they now how Americans view them, sice terrorist are so smart, why bring anymore attention to themselves than need be. The whole "they were seeing if they could get the backpacks in" argument holds no water.
It is only a hole in the story if you assume that terrorists are all rational, smart, and methodical in the way they plan attacks. We have seen in the past that this is not necessarily the case, so it is within the realm of possibility that they were stupid enough to run a dry run with a good chance of raising suspicion.
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