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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today

Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:01 pm to
Posted by Tiguar
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:01 pm to
It sounds to be like the female is either unbias or bias in favor of chauvin and the MIL is trying to be a dick
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:02 pm to
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I find it interesting that the mid forties female white juror disclosed to the judge this morning that her mother in law sent her a text last night saying- not a good day for the defense.... she said she didn’t respond and the judge said no improper conduct...
does this mean her mother in law is for or against the defense?


I imagine with mass media, it's hard to create a 100 percent impartial bubble around a jury. (Even if they were sequestered after the start of trial, this is the biggest story since forever. They've all been exposed to partial, non-objective opinions about it long before they were summoned for jury duty.) So some practical considerations have to be made. But there's got to be a limit, practically speaking, to what is allowed?

This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 1:04 pm
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24308 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:09 pm to
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I find it interesting that the mid forties female white juror disclosed to the judge this morning that her mother in law sent her a text last night saying- not a good day for the defense.... she said she didn’t respond and the judge said no improper conduct...

I'm still blown away that the jury wasn't sequestered for this trial. Arguably the most public trial since the OJ trail and the judge's instructions were to "try and avoid any coverage of the trial."

Like, really? Just seems absurd to me.

Especially given the current climate surrounding the bias in today's media.

ETA: and I'm talking bias going both ways depending on which network or website you happen to be viewing at the moment.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 1:12 pm
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:09 pm to
I just heard on court tv that the judge specifically asked her about it like he already knew about the text... weird... and he asked her a question about a book deal... even more weird..
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:13 pm to
There is no way I’m missing the next witness. Chief County ME who did the initial autopsy.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15073 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:13 pm to
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HLN...They are discounting hypotheticals...

Just going with cops are reason he stopped breathing


Here's the crux of today's testimony so far. If GF was found dead at home, they would rule it an OD. But since he wasn't, it has to be homicide. She said that police restraint was the ultimate cause. Here's my question, and I hope the jurors are thinking this also: If everything happened, as it did, but GF had not taken drugs, would he have died?
Posted by JDPndahizzy
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:15 pm to
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If everything happened, as it did, but GF had not taken drugs, would he have died?

That my friend, is the 1 million dollar question!

It’s literally the only question that needs answering to make up minds...
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 1:16 pm
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15073 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:15 pm to
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That my friend, is the 1 million dollar question!
So, does that not go to reasonable doubt?
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:17 pm to
Absofrickinglutely

Question is, will each juror allow that to raise reasonable doubt?
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 1:19 pm
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:18 pm to
Our covid positive residents were undeednout prone when needed — it helped their oxygen levels improve. That said they weren’t on the drugs GF was.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15073 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:25 pm to
We all know that Chauvin was trained to restrain a combative suspect in the manner he did. Chauvin suspected he was intoxicated on something. An ambulance was dispatched. So right there, we can throw out intent. Autopsy found no physical evidence of manual asphyxiation. It also found 90% occlusion of heart vessels, an enlarged heart, and the presence of extremely strong narcotics in his system. If I'm a juror, GF death was caused by GF.

Imagine a person robs a store. Police catch up with that person. A fight ensues. Suspect has a heart attack during the fight and dies. The police are guilty of murder 2? Manslaughter?

This is what the prosecution wants the jury to believe.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15073 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:26 pm to
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uestion is, will each juror allow that to raise reasonable doubt?

Just need one.
Posted by Adsam
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
138 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:26 pm to
Arteries are elastic and regain their shape once a compressive force is removed. The pharynx is cartilaginous/bony and will remain deformed once severely compressed.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:26 pm to
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That my friend, is the 1 million dollar question!

It’s literally the only question that needs answering to make up minds...

you left about $26M off the cost of that question
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:27 pm to
I don’t know if experts are usually this biased but this is crazy

She knows from a cellphone video that Floyd...

didn’t show any signs of overdose
didn’t have a fatal cardiac arrhythmia
had a anoxic seizure

That’s pretty amazing for a doctor who hasn’t seen a living patient in probably 40 years who is watching a cellphone video

If I was Nelson I would ask her “when is the last time you examined a living patient? When is the last time you evaluated someone during an overdose or fatal cardiac arrhythmia, or actually witnessed an anoxic seizure? When is the last time you diagnosed a patient with nothing more than a cellphone video?
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 1:28 pm
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6968 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:29 pm to
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you left about $26M off the cost of that question

Touche’
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15073 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:29 pm to
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Arteries are elastic and regain their shape once a compressive force is removed. The pharynx is cartilaginous/bony and will remain deformed once severely compressed.

I might have missed it, but didn't the witnesses say hypoxia via compression was the cause. I don't recall any of them stating that compression of the carotid arteries was the cause.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6968 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:32 pm to
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stating that compression of the carotid arteries was the cause.


They can’t say that because that causes you to pass out in less than 10 seconds.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:32 pm to
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I might have missed it, but didn't the witnesses say hypoxia via compression was the cause. I don't recall any of them stating that compression of the carotid arteries was the cause.


He was responding to my argument with another poster last night.

Someone said that Floyd died because his hypopharynx was compressed from both sides of the neck. The hypopharynx contains a bone and cartilage structures and would take a lot of force to compress.

My question was how did his carotid arteries not compress first, thus rendering him unconscious within the first 10 seconds of the restraint.

I never got an answer.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6968 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:33 pm to
Witness is on!,
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