re: Delphi, IN Murders Trial Thread

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How big this pool of blood will be important as the part of the defense is that the girls were killed elsewhere and then brought back to the crime scene. The “real killer(s)” would have had to collected their blood and brought enough back to dump in and around the “right” place relative to the bodies. That just seems really far-fetched.

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This was always a bullshite idea. The chances of the girls being found where they were last seen, but someone murdering them elsewhere and then bringing them back…is ridiculous.

I know it was likely at night, but I’m curious is there’s a reason the girls weren’t found the first day? It sounds like they were found across the creek from the bridge so many they just didn’t look that far?

It says their clothes were found in one spot but not necessarily on their bodies, but the girls were found when a tie dye shirt was seen? Is that correct? It’s possible the shirt was still on but maybe not some other clothes?

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t says their clothes were found in one spot but not necessarily on their bodies, but the girls were found when a tie dye shirt was seen? Is that correct? It’s possible the shirt was still on but maybe not some other clothes?

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My understanding is one girl was naked and one was clothed, but in the clothes of the other girl. It's very bizarre. It would seem to me that if the bodies were moved by dragging, there would be some blood evidence in the area as well as a disturbed path where the dragging took place. I'm unclear about the possible moving of the bodies.

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I know it was likely at night, but I’m curious is there’s a reason the girls weren’t found the first day? It sounds like they were found across the creek from the bridge so many they just didn’t look that far?

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I think you are right about being at night or dark. One testimony mentioned searching between midnight and 2am. Looking at maps app the area with trees isn’t some huge forest but seems consistently dense following both sides of the creek. At least from the video recording by the girl there are some hills around area. Searching around trees at night they might have just missed them covered by sticks or couldn’t coordinate grid searches to know what area hadn’t been checked. Some may have also relied on staying on side of creek and looking across creek with flashlights (bridge had been abandoned and not built for people to cross over and some may not have felt comfortable crossing back and forth at night). I can’t remember if dogs involved but search seemed less diligent and not very coordinated on top of it being dark as they were missing at that point with little or no evidence of foul play yet.


Description of one search that night and then the next day not seeing bodies walking up to creek even after told before arriving that bodies possibly were found.

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Giancola began looking for the girls at midnight, and couldn’t see much in the woods even with using a flashlight. He noted to the jury that he saw a “disturbance” near the end of the high bridge where bare ground could be seen. He said he pointed it out to a nearby firefighter, but eventually ended his search at 2 a.m. Feb. 14.

State prosecutor Nick McLelland asked Giancola is “at the point you ended the search at 2 a.m., where you investigating a murder?”

Giancola said, “No,” adding that he didn’t believe anything bad had happened to the girls at that point…

… said after arriving at the creek, he was shown Libby German’s tie-dye shirt and shoes found in the creek. Someone then informed him the girls’ bodies were behind him. He said he could not see the bodies when walking to the creek, but saw something “white.”

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They didn’t collect the sticks covering the bodies for 3 weeks seemingly because they didn’t see blood on them or have anything else obvious to people at the scene.

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Datzman also said the sticks on the bodies “were of no evidentiary value” and did not have blood on them. The sticks were were collected about three weeks later and placed in evidence storage at the state police post in Lafayette. The sticks were not tested for DNA.

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is this guy connected to any other crimes? Doesn't seem likely he would just kill these girls randomly without doing it before

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The guy lived within miles of the murder site. Certainly very bizarre, but I gotta assume the police have done their due diligence on this.

In relation to moving the bodies around, these were 13 and 14 year old girls. They probably didn’t weigh 100 lbs or so. It wouldn’t have been horribly difficult to just fireman’s carry them or something similar and not have much of a noticeable disturbance. I just mean we aren’t talking about 250 lb men.

Wasn't his car on camera from a convenience store a couple of times that seems to fit the time frame from when the murders occurred?

It's been a while since I've read anything about the case but I seem to remember something like that.

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In relation to moving the bodies around, these were 13 and 14 year old girls. They probably didn’t weigh 100 lbs or so. It wouldn’t have been horribly difficult to just fireman’s carry them or something similar and not have much of a noticeable disturbance. I just mean we aren’t talking about 250 lb men.

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One girl was bigger and weighed 200 pounds. And this dude is 5’4”. I think I gathered that the defense’s theory is that there was a car waiting on a private drive just past where they were found, they were moved, then brought back, but alive and killed around the place where they were abducted. Doesn’t make much sense, but they have to account for the girls being wet, which means they would have have to cross the creek after they were abducted.

Also makes no sense to for anybody, whether they were dead or alive, to have brought them back and dumped them right in the middle of where a huge search was already underway. There are tons of places in the area they could have been left without anybody being around.

I don’t know if y’all watch Gray Hughes—he’s got a channel, and I’ve caught some streams on this and the Idaho case. He’s a condescending a-hole, but has a good head for this stuff, and does some really cool re-enactments and other things on his computer. He’s got a pretty good timeline down based on witness reports and cars caught on camera passing a building.

Anyway, he’s got connections and has seen the crime scene photos. He said the red-head (smaller girl, I get their names mixed up) who had the other girls pants on, was found clutching her sweater up against her chest, like she was cold. I think the high that day was in the 40s and they were wet. I don’t know if this came out this week or in previous hearings, but police believe it took her longer to die. He thinks dude made them both get naked—I think that’s pretty obvious—but she actually was barely alive, but managed the strength to grab the bigger girls pants and put them on in attempt to stay warm. So that makes more sense than him redressing her in the other girls clothes for some weird reason.

Also, dude was doing fine in jail, being normal for weeks/months and found Jesus. Began passing out bibles to other inmates. He was filled with guilt and wanted redemption, so he could be with his family in the afterlife/Heaven. That’s when he 1st confessed to his wife and mom—he thought that was the only way he could be reconnected with them. And it’s in those confessions where he mentioned things only the killer would have known. They told him to shut up.

Soon after, his lawyer visited him and brought all the discovery from the prosecution and they met for days/a week, whatever. It was only then that he started to act all bat-shite crazy and rubbing his feces on himself, eating paper, just acting all looney-tunes. Then he started confessing to inmates and guards and that’s when he started throwing shite in his confessions that were wrong, that never happened. He had to murky the waters after he fricked up and gave the “real confession” with things only the killer would know. And I don’t know where this stat came from, but something like 80% of the corrections officers and other inmates thought he was faking being crazy.

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absolutely horrific things

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What's the gist?

Today, there was extensive discussion about phones. The defense claims that there is no phone forensics connecting Richard Allen to the girls. Meanwhile, the state revealed that they examined 23 of Richard Allen’s devices in 2022, but were unable to find the phone used in 2017.

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The dude was the same height as the girls 5’4” and one of the girls weighed 200 lbs

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Please source where one of the girls weighed 200 pounds. Because at 5'3" neither did.