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re: Dayton, OH bar mass shooting - 10 dead, 27 wounded

Posted on 8/5/19 at 7:16 am to
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 7:16 am to
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NRA hardly lobbies at all



Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 7:41 am to
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Guy showed up wearing body armor. Don’t think it’s a gang. However I’ve now seen that the guys sister is one of the victims.

He is just coming across as an unhinged individual who was a ticking time bomb. Sucks that he had access to an assault rifle.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:15 am to
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And to think that people who believe this fricking vote



Please provide exact data on their lobbying amounts. Not just "political activities" as the poster above you posted. Thanks


Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:18 am to
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And to think that people who believe this fricking vote



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Please provide exact data on their lobbying amounts. Not just "political activities" as the poster above you posted. Thanks




opensecrets.org

You'll find it there.
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 8:19 am
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:19 am to
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Google it.


I did and it shows you're wrong.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:20 am to
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opensecrets.org

You'll find it there.





Can you post the link?
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25962 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:21 am to
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Please provide exact data


Exact amounts donated will never be known, let's not pretend reported donations are the only "donations" happening.

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According to OpenSecrets.org, the NRA spent $5.1 million in 2017 on lobbying politicians, up from about $1.5 million in the early ’00s. But this may not give a clear indication of the NRA’s influence. Total NRA expenditures reportedly hit $419 million in 2016, up from $312 million the prior year—including $30 million in support of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. Trump is “the most openly pro-Second Amendment candidate in history,” LaPierre said.





Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:22 am to
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Can you post the link?


Honestly, I'm not going to because if you really want to read about it you'll open up your browser and go to the website. I'm not going to do all the work for you.

www.opensecrets.org
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:22 am to
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People are fricking insane these days. Only Springfield Models 1861 should be legal. Anything more automatic than that should be banned and people caught with anything more automatic than that given a mandatory 10 year prison term. shite would change real fast, real soon.


And the media should only be allowed to use a manual printing press.

Any journalist caught using anything more automatic than that should get a mandatory 10 year prison term.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:22 am to
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Total NRA expenditures reportedly hit $419 million


The majority of which was spent on planting trees and saving the honeybee.

Duh.

Eta: and the red wolf
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 8:23 am
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
64163 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:26 am to
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The majority of which was spent on planting trees and saving the honeybee.

Duh.

Eta: and the red wolf




Still just resorting to shitty quips. Are you afraid of providing the data?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64163 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:27 am to
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Honestly, I'm not going to because if you really want to read about it you'll open up your browser and go to the website. I'm not going to do all the work for you.

www.opensecrets.org




You're the one who made the claim.

Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25962 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:28 am to
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The majority of which was spent on planting trees and saving the honeybee.

Duh.

Eta: and the red wolf




So where does the rest of the money go? Here's the answer: you dont know.

Duh.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44312 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:29 am to
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So where does the rest of the money go?


To Drumpf of course. So he can fund his white nationalist hitler agenda.

Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:29 am to
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You're the one who made the claim.


Wtf? I didn't make any claim.

You asked for data. I pointed you to a website that tracks lobbying spending. You're the one who made the claim.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138151 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:36 am to
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Only Springfield Models 1861 should be legal.

"The founding fathers had flintlock muskets in mind when they wrote the constitution, not percussion cap rifles capable of accurate shots out to 500 yds"
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:40 am to
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Still just resorting to shitty quips



Hmmmm



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Are you afraid of providing the data?




quote:

Still just resorting to shitty quips


?
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:55 am to
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Results Fully adjusted regression analyses showed that a 10 unit increase in state gun law permissiveness was associated with a significant 11.5% (95% confidence interval 4.2% to 19.3%, P=0.002) higher rate of mass shootings. A 10% increase in state gun ownership was associated with a significant 35.1% (12.7% to 62.7%, P=0.001) higher rate of mass shootings. Partially adjusted regression analyses produced similar results, as did analyses restricted to domestic and non-domestic mass shootings.

Conclusions States with more permissive gun laws and greater gun ownership had higher rates of mass shootings, and a growing divide appears to be emerging between restrictive and permissive states.



Now compare the overall crime of those states. You know the ones where the bad guys still have guns and the good guys have no way to defend their homes so the bad guys aren't scared to break in anymore?

As I posted yesterday, it is estimated that using a gun as a defensive means saves 162,000 lives per year.

Hard to ignore those numbers.
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 8:57 am
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:57 am to
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"The founding fathers had flintlock muskets in mind when they wrote the constitution, not percussion cap rifles capable of accurate shots out to 500 yds"


While this is true, where do we go from here? You can't possibly get all of the semi/automatic weapons off the streets. I'm not a gun guy and I don't see the reason one would need to own an AR or AK other than "because I can" but I also don't think I'm ready for the buffoons in Washington be the ones in charge of regulating shite either.

Honestly, the latest round of mass shooters could've been stopped with just halfway decent parenting and I don't want the gubment regulating that either. The answer is just hug your fricking kids and teach them to respect their fellow human beings.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
53112 posts
Posted on 8/5/19 at 9:00 am to
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Now compare the overall crime of those states. You know the ones where the bad guys still have guns and the good guys have no way to defend their homes so the bad guys aren't scared to break in anymore? As I posted yesterday, it is estimated that using a gun as a defensive means saves 162,000 lives per year. Hard to ignore those numbers.

As tragic as they are, mass shootings account for a very small percentage of murders in this country.
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