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re: Dave Smith is currently murdering Chris Cuomo live on PBD’s Podcast over Covid
Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:47 am to bostitch
Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:47 am to bostitch
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His point is much more nuanced then the Dennis Prager "one side wants peace, the other side wants war" nonsense. Two points of many that stick out: 1) there has to be a better way to respond that does not include bombing civilians
That’s really easy to say and pretty much impossible to do as we’ve witnessed in every war ever, war is brutal. Of course killing civilians is terrible but that is the only way to destroy hamas for good. Were the allies wrong for killing millions of innocent during ww2? Sometimes yes, but overall no, because it was them or us and they started it.
Furthermore a good portion of those civilians also wish for Israel to not exist.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 9:52 am
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:55 am to Aubie Spr96
Who would you like to see as next president?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:01 am to OMLandshark
How are there people still talking about Covid in 2024? What a strange obsession.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:08 am to jyoung1
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That’s really easy to say and pretty much impossible to do as we’ve witnessed in every war ever, war is brutal. Of course killing civilians is terrible but that is the only way to destroy hamas for good. Were the allies wrong for killing millions of innocent during ww2? Sometimes yes, but overall no, because it was them or us and they started it.
Furthermore a good portion of those civilians also wish for Israel to not exist.
Civilian is the operative word here. Are we able to just kill people because of what's in their heart? My stance is no. They pick up a gun, that's different.
And on the war is brutal. Yes, that's true. But what do you think happens when you bomb a house because there might be a hamas fighter? Do you think the family in there takes it and says ah, Abdul really had it coming. Or does the brother, uncle, cousin or whatever become radicalized giving you more Hamas? Probably the latter. Israel deserved to go in and get their retribution. They did that. They should also be looking inward at where they dropped the ball - maybe not relying on automated turrets and man the wall to start? Maybe not funding these Hamas shitheads? Again it keeps coming back to they're bad, we are good, we have no choice. That's not true.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:09 am to FLTech
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Who would you like to see as next president?
Maybe this guy:
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:10 am to TooFyeToFly
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How are there people still talking about Covid in 2024? What a strange obsession.
Because the covid response was criminal. Single biggest affront to liberty in the history of our country
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:14 am to OBReb6
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t aligns perfectly well when you consider the fact the war was 100% avoidable and is 100% a response to US led aggressive NATO expansion, even though it was very well known in the top levels of our government that Ukraine and NATO discussions were Russia’s blazing red line.
Why does Russia/Putin get to set a red line on Ukrainian policy? Russia was never at risk of being invaded. They are invading a sovereign nation.
I agree with Tulsi gabbard that us funding an unwinnable war is horrible policy, but to act like Putin's cause is just (which Smith does) is asinine.
Regarding the Gaza issue, just because Smith would be in favor of magically erasing Hamas if he could, doesn't bring validity to his anti war stance. It's urban warfare involving a militant group that camouflages themselves amongst civilians.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:14 am to OMLandshark
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Maybe this guy:
Says alot about his platform's appeal that Mises nearly brought the libertarians into political relevance and then the minute he decides not to be the nominee the party collapses in on itself and runs a woke POS like Chase
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:23 am to 632627
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Why does Russia/Putin get to set a red line on Ukrainian policy? Russia was never at risk of being invaded. They are invading a sovereign nation.
I agree with Tulsi gabbard that us funding an unwinnable war is horrible policy, but to act like Putin's cause is just (which Smith does) is asinine.
If we invite Mexico into a trade agreement and Russia intervened, using their intelligence to overthrow the Mexican government and install a pro-Russia president. Then after that told us that they would be including Mexico in their Defensive alliance, would you not see that as provocation?
There's a big difference in saying Russians and Ukranians killing each other is OK, which no one is, and saying that our government meddling for nefarious purposes is creating problems and we should just stop
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:24 am to TooFyeToFly
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How are there people still talking about Covid in 2024? What a strange obsession.
Seven million people died. Your civil liberties were stripped from you. 2020 to 2021 was the biggest upward transfer of wealth in all of human history fricking over the middle class where you’re still feeling it today. 41% of all black owned businesses nationwide closed their doors forever. Two years of education was robbed from millions of children around the country.
We were lied to that if you got vaccinated that you wouldn’t get infected and it would stop the spread, and then everyone got infected regardless. The current President tried to get tens of millions of people fired from their jobs for not getting an experimental medical treatment. And we still don’t know the full long term consequences of the mRNA therapies that you call a Covid vaccine.
Additionally we’re still doing gain of function research in China and all over the world that could lead to the apocalypse if a virus with the same transmission rate as Covid but instead has a 30% mortality rate escapes that lab. So moving on and not learning anything from it can literally have apocalyptic ramifications.
So no, unlike a pussy like yourself who will take it up the arse and then thank the assholes for fricking you over, I am not moving on from this. I demand these people’s heads on pikes that did this to us after a fair trial, and for the lesser great offenders, I’ll reduce their penalties from death to life sentences so long as they squeal on the bigger fish responsible for this.
Fauci and his cronies murdered my uncle, so you telling me to move on from this is like telling a Jew to move on a mere four years after the Holocaust. Not going to happen.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:26 am to bostitch
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Says alot about his platform's appeal that Mises nearly brought the libertarians into political relevance and then the minute he decides not to be the nominee the party collapses in on itself and runs a woke POS like Chase
Well libertarians can never get their shite together and will let a slight disagreement destroy the entire platform. They stand on their values blindly to their own detriment when Democrats and Republicans have neither.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:26 am to 632627
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He’s right about a lot but the way he is so openly against israel means he’s either just a contrarian for the sake of likes or he has a large gap in shared fundamental principles. He totally loses me with his Israel/Gaza stance.
I think guys like him and Glen greenwald hate American foreign policy so much they blindly align themselves against our allies or position. I much prefer the nuanced views of tulsi gabbard
I’ve been listening to Smith for years now after his first Rogan appearance. I can’t remember if it was about Covid or Ukraine but after I was like this MF is spitting straight facts.
I’ve disagreed here and there but he usually lines up with what republicans “say” they are for… but not what they actually do.
He’ll defend Trump mainly just against the BS in the media and legal cases, but then turn around and smack him over spending, recommending Covid lockdowns, and tariffs.
He will respect him for not starting new wars, isolationism, and border policies.
Smith is not wrong entirely about Israel/Gaza. Israel is a giant a-hole, but he waves away the fact that Palestine is a pile of ungovernable barbarians with below room temperature IQ and bring about their own destruction.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:31 am to OMLandshark
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Well libertarians can never get their shite together and will let a slight disagreement destroy the entire platform. They stand on their values blindly to their own detriment when Democrats and Republicans have neither.
Clint Russell (friend of Dave’s) said that their candidate stupidly smoked weed before he spoke at the convention, left a gap, and then 2nd and 3rd place teamed up to take him out.
I wouldn’t run for president, but Smith could have done some real damage as the nominee. I get not running but he lost his momentum.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:31 am to OMLandshark
Never heard of this podcast but this shite was hilarious. Gonna subscribe
Cuomo should be in jail.
Cuomo should be in jail.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:35 am to Corinthians420
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Never heard of this podcast but this shite was hilarious. Gonna subscribe
Do Part of the Problem. Not PBD.
Not that I dislike PBD, but PotP is Smith’s podcast.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:36 am to 3nOut
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Clint Russell (friend of Dave’s) said that their candidate stupidly smoked weed before he spoke at the convention, left a gap, and then 2nd and 3rd place teamed up to take him out.
I hadn't heard that, just that he shite the bed and the now VP candidate made a deal of "make me your vp and I'll endorse you." God damn it.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:38 am to Corinthians420
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Never heard of this podcast but this shite was hilarious. Gonna subscribe
Part of the Problem is the name. It’s the only podcast that I don’t even bother to check what the topic is or see who’s the guest is. I just press play. It’s always good.
I don’t agree on everything he says but he always makes well reasoned points that are supported with historical fact. It’s usually very funny too since DS is also a great stand up comedian.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:43 am to 3nOut
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Do Part of the Problem. Not PBD.
PBD is like the 3rd grade version of a podcast. If you enjoy an intellectual podcast Part of the Problem which is Dave’s podcast is great. He’s a libertarian so he not swinging on right or left nuts.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:55 am to 632627
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Why does Russia/Putin get to set a red line on Ukrainian policy? Russia was never at risk of being invaded. They are invading a sovereign nation.
Perhaps because it is traditionally their territory, and it contains their only warm water seaports. Plus there is no way of them knowing that NATO expansion will never result in some type of military invasion of their territory. Don’t be a fool about this, what would we do with similar activity in North America with alliances formed with China or Russia?
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Regarding the Gaza issue, just because Smith would be in favor of magically erasing Hamas if he could, doesn't bring validity to his anti war stance. It's urban warfare involving a militant group that camouflages themselves amongst civilians.
His main point that I fully agree with, is pointing out that the problems Israel is dealing with are a result of their own terrible decisions. Helping to create, and then prop up, Hamas for their greater interests blew up in their face. So instead of saying poor Israel and standing behind their ridiculous countermeasures, maybe we should be saying “hey, maybe you should get rid of your leaders who were complicit in creating this situation before we move on”
But of course instead we are lock step on board with everything they do, even though it costs us immeasurable damage towards facilitating destabilization of the entire region.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:59 am to bostitch
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He's not anti-israel, pro hamas - he's anti-Netanyahu and his anti palestine political moves (way too deep a topic to list, see Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem) and against bombing cities/killing civilians vs tactical strikes against combatants. He would 100% be onboard with Hamas ceasing to exist tomorrow.
One can be anti Israel without being pro-palestine/Hamas when critiquing something like the Israel/US relationship.
However, when analyzing the Israel/Palestinian conflict, unless you're taking a pure isolationist stance (which Smith does not; see Vivek as an example of this), it's not possible to fence sit. If you're anti Israel, that means you do side with the Palestinians.
As the one poster alluded to, you either recognize that the Palestinians are barbarians, or, you don't.
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