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re: Dashcam footage of cop tasing, dragging, and dropping teen is unsealed
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:31 am to PuntBamaPunt
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:31 am to PuntBamaPunt
We all must fear evil men, but there is a greater evil that must be feared most, the indifference of good men.
A great deal of the problem is because top many fear to stand up for themselves or their rights because it's a softer easier way to comply with the illegal actions of the police than it is to fight for the rights in which so many have died for.
When you allow anyone to violate your rights you disrespect the memory of all those who have fought and died so we could have them.
A great deal of the problem is because top many fear to stand up for themselves or their rights because it's a softer easier way to comply with the illegal actions of the police than it is to fight for the rights in which so many have died for.
When you allow anyone to violate your rights you disrespect the memory of all those who have fought and died so we could have them.
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:44 am to PuntBamaPunt
His arse should be in Gen Pop. for the duration of his sentence.
If cops can use threats of what's going to happen in prison to get confessions, when convicted they shouldn't get any special treatment.
If cops can use threats of what's going to happen in prison to get confessions, when convicted they shouldn't get any special treatment.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 4:47 am to auggie
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His stupid little tantrum ruined a bunch of lives,his,his parents,the cops, the cops family.
Seems like it was the Cop's tantrum that ruined his own life and that if his family.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 5:00 am to WaveHog
So many of you don't understand this very simple concept. When you are legally placed under arrest, you have no legal way of exercising any of your rights by failing to follow the police officer's instructions.
You have a right to know what you are being charged with. It will be explained to you at an arraignment, which may take place much later. You do not have a right to have the officer tell you before you have to comply.
If you are unlawfully arrested, you take that up later as well.
Expect fighting the officer to end badly.
You have a right to know what you are being charged with. It will be explained to you at an arraignment, which may take place much later. You do not have a right to have the officer tell you before you have to comply.
If you are unlawfully arrested, you take that up later as well.
Expect fighting the officer to end badly.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 5:05 am to WaveHog
So many of you don't understand this very simple concept. When you are legally placed under arrest, you have no legal way of exercising any of your rights by failing to follow the police officer's instructions.
You have a right to know what you are being charged with. It will be explained to you at an arraignment, which may take place much later. You do not have a right to have the officer tell you before you have to comply.
If you are unlawfully arrested, you take that up later as well.
Expect fighting the officer to end badly.
You have a right to know what you are being charged with. It will be explained to you at an arraignment, which may take place much later. You do not have a right to have the officer tell you before you have to comply.
If you are unlawfully arrested, you take that up later as well.
Expect fighting the officer to end badly.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 5:07 am to BiggerBear
ETA: Not worth arguing anymore.
That video makes me sick. As do all the people justifying the officer's actions.
The officer wanted to frick with the kid. When the kid didn't play along and stood up for himself, permanent brain damage.
Good ole American police state.
ETA2: It's also strange that people are arguing the legality of the officer's actions... when he has already pled guilty and has been sentenced to 4 years in prison for violating the civil rights of a citizen and causing severe bodily injury in the process.
That video makes me sick. As do all the people justifying the officer's actions.
The officer wanted to frick with the kid. When the kid didn't play along and stood up for himself, permanent brain damage.
Good ole American police state.
ETA2: It's also strange that people are arguing the legality of the officer's actions... when he has already pled guilty and has been sentenced to 4 years in prison for violating the civil rights of a citizen and causing severe bodily injury in the process.
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 5:26 am
Posted on 6/9/16 at 5:10 am to BiggerBear
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So many of you don't understand this very simple concept. When you are legally placed under arrest, you have no legal way of exercising any of your rights by failing to follow the police officer's instructions.
You have a right to know what you are being charged with. It will be explained to you at an arraignment, which may take place much later. You do not have a right to have the officer tell you before you have to comply.
If you are unlawfully arrested, you take that up later as well
This is all bullshite.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 5:12 am to BiggerBear
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You do not have a right to have the officer tell you before you have to comply.
You have a right to know if you are under arrest, and if you can go on your way. Became pretty obvious after the cop started getting physical with a kid. But hey, he made up some bs probable cause that was changed
The cop kept tasering after he was complying with the unlawful stop, arrest, assault, etc
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Expect fighting the officer to end badly.
And we should also expect abuse of power to be strictly punished, although that is not always the case.
Watch the video
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 5:33 am
Posted on 6/9/16 at 11:44 am to The Pirate King
He was not asking to be tased in the chest for 23 seconds by not completely rolling down his window.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 1:32 pm to BiggerBear
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Expect fighting the officer to end badly.
What fight?
Are cops such pussies that a simple question is now a fight?
If that's the case perhaps it's not surprising that so often in Cop Land a wallet that has the ID requested looks just like a gun.
I'm not saying it's 100% but.... this totally looks like a guy who spent all of his off duty time juicing and lifting. Anyone want to bet how many “Affliction“ or "Tapout" shirts the soon to be inmate owns?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 1:46 pm to BiggerBear
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So many of you don't understand this very simple concept. When you are legally placed under arrest, y
Yeah I stopped reading here. This was an illegal arrest and the kid was well within his rights to defend himself, even if he chose to simply resist. Just because a police officer tells you to do something doesn't make it legal.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 2:00 pm to meauxjeaux2
But did he die
Posted on 6/9/16 at 2:22 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Yeah I stopped reading here. This was an illegal arrest and the kid was well within his rights to defend himself, even if he chose to simply resist. Just because a police officer tells you to do something doesn't make it legal
This right here. I would say that it's a citizen's duty to step in and make an attempt to stop attacks like this from happening.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 7:54 pm to ShortyRob
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So, you can blame the kid because yes, he probably could have avoided the trouble. But you really should be thanking him.
You replied to me so I guess this is to me. I am firmly in Camp Kid. I don't think he did a damned thing wrong. I also think he had an unearned arse whipping coming at him no matter what he did.
One thing that has not been mentioned is that this kid is 6'1 but looked like a small child compared to Officer Friendly. I am guessing this giant had some other victims of his bullying.
The civil case should prove interesting.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:13 pm to PuntBamaPunt
these threads are predictable, no matter the circumstances...
Posted on 6/10/16 at 1:47 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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It's also strange that people are arguing the legality of the officer's actions... when he has already pled guilty and has been sentenced to 4 years in prison for violating the civil rights of a citizen and causing severe bodily injury in the process.
And yet, so many of the arguments aren't about that as mine was not (I guess you just have a reading comprehension issue). What the cop did that resulted in the death of that young man was wrong. But that young man's death is also traceable directly to his own actions.
Advising someone to "stand up for their rights" when being arrested, especially when some of those assumed rights don't exist, is stupid and dangerous. It's no more advisable than trying to interpret the constitution on your own from a simple reading, deciding that you are a sovereign citizen and then acting accordingly (and stupidly).
Posted on 6/10/16 at 1:59 pm to Tigers_Saints
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You have a right to know if you are under arrest, and if you can go on your way. Became pretty obvious after the cop started getting physical with a kid
If you were paying attention, not only was it obvious at that point, it was explicit when the officer said, "yes" in response to the question by the kid as to whether he was under arrest.
Once the cop tells you, you are under arrest, you should exercise your other right - you know - to remain silent and not physically resist the arrest. If the arrest is unlawful, the way to assert your right is pretty straightforward and involves a judicial proceeding, after you are acquitted or charges are dropped and when you are still alive.
Fight the cop or force the cop to be physical and you are just adding to the charges and begging, asking, pleading for trouble. Ask and ye shall receive.
It isn't right, but it's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain.
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And we should also expect abuse of power to be strictly punished, although that is not always the case.
We should. And it quite often is. That the system is perfect is a comment on all of us.
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Watch the video
I did. But I didn't simultaneously turn off my brain like you did.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:01 pm to BiggerBear
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But that young man's death is also traceable directly to his own actions.
Advising someone to "stand up for their rights" when being arrested, especially when some of those assumed rights don't exist, is stupid and dangerous. It's no more advisable than trying to interpret the constitution on your own from a simple reading, deciding that you are a sovereign citizen and then acting accordingly (and stupidly).
Let me ask you a question- do you feel a legal justification to comply with illegal police orders or directives? That standing up to the person asking means you might get hurt, so it's better to just go along...
Some things that come to mind
1)Consenting to illegal searches under duress
2)Signing a form to waive away your rights to possess anything you own, and your future right to sue to get it back.
3)Signing a false confession
4)pleading guilty to trumped up charges under threat of violence.
5)Consenting to surveillance of your home.
6)Sexual favors and or bribes to make your "legal troubles" go away.
I mean if a police officer is asking you to do something, you had better comply or risk getting hurt or killed, right?
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:03 pm to montanagator
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What fight?
Are cops such pussies that a simple question is now a fight?
You have to keep watching the video - the part after the cop tells the kid that he is under arrest - the part where the cop is trying to get the kid out of the car and he is obviously resisting. You know, that part.
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If that's the case . . .
It's not. You just have an argument to make and are trying to make it fit where it doesn't.
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I'm not saying it's 100% but.... this totally looks like a guy who spent all of his off duty time juicing and lifting. Anyone want to bet how many “Affliction“ or "Tapout" shirts the soon to be inmate owns?
I have not doubt you would bet on this because you know everything about this police office and this encounter despite what it doesn't show and you cannot see.
How do you not see your statement as anything but an admission that you aren't that bright?
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:31 pm to oleyeller
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oleyeller
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is there a time limit to taze someone?
For you?
no
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