re: D-Day Spinoff: Did the Allies Really Win WW2?

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communism has spread worldwide

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My grandfather, born in the early 1900s, always said we should have teamed up with Germany and fought the Russians. I'm not sure if that was a common thought in the 1940s or not.

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Pretty much right, but Wall Street funded the bolshiviks and they would never go against their own kind.

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Did the Allies Really Win WW2?

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Why ask such a stupid question?

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So disregard the policies, it has to be the communist party running things? California, Washington, Oregon, etc all have communistic policies

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Define communism.

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sure if that was a common thought in the 1940s or not.

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Oh, it crossed many minds.

That was a time, you fight or be killed.

We have it easy now compared to the early 1900's.

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What the frick is your point lol

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Western nations lost their national sovereignty and industrial bases ever since "winning" WW2. Those aren't signs of winning a war.

The allied nations won, but for many, especially the UK, it was a pyrrhic victory. The war bankrupted most of the European powers and destroyed their empires.

The U.S. and USSR absolutely won and dominated the world for the next 50 years, and they took many fascists and incorporated them into their bureaucracies.

However, the real winner, philosophically, was managerialism. Basically, the style of nationalistic ethnic fascism of Germany failed, but the successful economic aspects of it and the organizational principles had enabled Germany to punch well above its weight in the war. The Soviet communist economic policy was a disaster, but its focus on social class rather than ethnicity allowed for greater social cohesion. Both utilized a secret police and intense authoritarianism to keep their populations in line.

Managerial fascism combines the government cooperation between government and big business with the social values of marxism. Marxism is utopian, but managerialism is fatalistic. It seeks to portray an existential crisis which only they can prevent. The end result was the creation of an ever-expanding bureaucratic managerial system which slowly swallowed the West’s economy. The managers produce nothing, but suck up all of the overhead and stifle innovation, resulting in slow decline rather than rapid booms and busts. The managerial class has largely consumed the middle classes and destroyed the small business entrepreneurs. It is currently dismantling the arts and entertainment industries with tech following closely behind. The managers now have an orwellian cyberpunk dystopia where the gap between rich and poor is widening while the middle class vanishes. Few middle class people are left who aren’t part of this manager class.

We have, since the end of the Cold War, seen the death of the liberal democracy. Principles like freedom of speech, freedom of expression, religious liberty, and free enterprise have been replaced with equity. That’s because while equality can be granted with the stroke of a pen, equity is impossible, and must require constant oversight to be effectuated. Thus, the managers push equity and get the poor to fight each other instead of them. Western Civilization has thus become disillusioned with itself and is committing cultural suicide by simply refusing to reproduce. I argue that this shift in fertility is largely economic, but regardless of the cause, the social consequences are drastic.

The reality is, no regular people really came out ahead. Some wealthy businessmen and connected bureaucrats got rich, but the ordinary citizens (and civilization in general) lost WWII in a big way.

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Western nations lost their national sovereignty and industrial bases ever since "winning" WW2. Those aren't signs of winning a war

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You should work on putting your thoughts into some form of coherent posts. We won the war. That's not debatable.

You just don't like the direction the country or the west has gone since the end of the war. They are two different subjects. Stop trying to conflate the two.

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The typical boomer answer is "We aren't speaking German" but communism has spread worldwide

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You do realize the communists were our “allies” in WW2.

Of course we won. Germany and Japan surrendered and neither are a threat currently

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ou should work on putting your thoughts into some form of coherent posts. We won the war. That's not debatable.

You just don't like the direction the country or the west has gone since the end of the war. They are two different subjects. Stop trying to conflate the two.

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What does winning a war look like to you? Do winners abdicate authority of their finance, borders, military and industrial base to organizations outside of their nation?