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re: Crypto exchange FTX declares bankruptcy

Posted on 11/12/22 at 6:02 am to
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 6:02 am to
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I'm not disputing it, I just cannot make sense of how 'anyone anwhere' can validate reserves, pair up pairs of tokens with others, and swap through a 'liquidity pool.' Maybe I'm the dumb one, but this sounds like jargon that really doesn't mean a lot to 99% of the world.




You think the average American understands any tradfi jargon?

The average user only swaps.. the rest of it is handled by people seeking a yield and willing to take on some risk to do it.. hopefully they learn what it all means and the risks involved



Monke has 10 banan and 10 ornj. He goes to commune where other monkes with fruit can pool fruit together for market. Monke puts up 8 banan and 8 oranj into the pool. Now when another monke wants to swap a banan for an ornj, monke goes to commune and gives up banan and receives an ornj. But to do this, he had to sacrifice 1% of his banan and that 1% gets distributed to monkes in pool.

Single monke with single banan doesnt give pool much banan, but 1,000,000 monkes (some with milliins of banan to trade) does.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 6:22 am
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43299 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 6:21 am to
As for viewing reserves, simple: it lives on chain. A public ledger. But must of these DEXs make it easy to see what they've got.


Uniswap USDC

USDC/ETH Pair

Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 6:24 am to
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Someone is going to jail


Not if they’re Dim
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53373 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 6:45 am to
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You think the average American understands any tradfi jargon?


After reading what you just wrote, I think I'll stick with gold. But, that brings me to the point that has always fascinated me. I totally understood the libertarian/alt-economic mindset of gathering hard assets since the Fed/printing press/dollar system of making money out of thin air seems bogus and possibly doomed. But, then a lot of that crowd got attracted to something even more intangible/digital -- crypto. Never made much sense to me, although, yeah I don't really understand the security and supposedly finite aspects of it.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37105 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:30 am to
Is SIPC protection available here if the coins were flat stolen as it appears they were?
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10414 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:38 am to
This failure is one of the largest financial scams ever

They recruit high profile atheletes and even professional teams and leagues promote this stuff. They have no clue what they’re even promoting.

And naive people buy in. Lebron promotes it…. It must be good. People need to wake up and do their homework

No legit business is going to accept a currency that fluctuates like this. It’s bad business. People don’t recognize this very basis element to which leads to the bigger question of what this company was really worth?
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 8:01 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422495 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:38 am to
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After reading what you just wrote, I think I'll stick with gold. But, that brings me to the point that has always fascinated me. I totally understood the libertarian/alt-economic mindset of gathering hard assets since the Fed/printing press/dollar system of making money out of thin air seems bogus and possibly doomed. But, then a lot of that crowd got attracted to something even more intangible/digital -- crypto. Never made much sense to me, although, yeah I don't really understand the security and supposedly finite aspects of it.


The problem is that this Mass adoptionally happened during bubbles which defeat the whole purpose of the transaction aspect of the technology. When cryptocurrency moved from a transaction tech to an investment vehicle, it became more unstable than fiat currency. There's a reason that crypto crashed with the market in the spring of 2020 and shot up with the market when fed liquidity was spread around
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:39 am to
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Word on the street is Sam Bankman-Fried is fleeing the Bahamas on this flight.



Why not go to the Maldives with his kind of money vs South America? The USA has no extradition treaty with the Maldives and it's not a shithole like a lot of SA.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:44 am to
The Bahamas is right off the coast of Florida. Easy access for his family. The Maldives requires a lot more investment. Also the Maldives are in a pickle due to rising sea levels
Posted by Jarlaxle
Calimport
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:50 am to
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167270 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:51 am to
He was already living in the Bahamas. That is what he is fleeing from

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The Maldives requires a lot more investment



One of my friends moved there recently. It's not bad but I was using it as an example. He could also go to Cape Verde which also has no extradition treaty. Just curious why he was heading to SA. Hell, he could have caught a boat to Cuba from the Bahamas.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 8:00 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:53 am to
Also he could do some incredible role play with Armie Hammer, who played major crypto bros before they were crypto bros.
Posted by Fox McCloud
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:54 am to
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Is SIPC protection available here if the coins were flat stolen as it appears they were?


Nope
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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422495 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:54 am to
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He was already living in the Bahamas.

Oh that ruins my Armie Hammer joke

This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 7:57 am
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167270 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:58 am to
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FTX moved its HQ from Hong Kong to the Bahamas, a tax haven, in September 2021. SBF is pictured with the Bahaman Prime Minister, Philip Davis (center), and other officials




quote:

Bankman-Fried moved into a luxury penthouse at the Albany resort with nine of his acolytes





LINK
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80247 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:58 am to
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Monke has 10 banan and 10 ornj. He goes to commune where other monkes with fruit can pool fruit together for market. Monke puts up 8 banan and 8 oranj into the pool. Now when another monke wants to swap a banan for an ornj, monke goes to commune and gives up banan and receives an ornj. But to do this, he had to sacrifice 1% of his banan and that 1% gets distributed to monkes in pool.

Single monke with single banan doesnt give pool much banan, but 1,000,000 monkes (some with milliins of banan to trade) does.


Bananas and oranges have utility to monkey outside store of value. They provide sustenance.

There is no utility to 99% of coins outside of arbitrage. That’s the fundamental shortcoming right now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422495 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:01 am to
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There is no utility to 99% of coins outside of arbitrage. That’s the fundamental shortcoming right now.

Exactly. This second bubble sent the whole idea off the rails. They're all ponzi schemes and scams with literally no value.

Serious question: how are NFTs doing?
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:03 am to
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Serious question: how are NFTs doing?



Worthless
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:04 am to
I guess I did understand the tech behind them, in hindsight.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:08 am to
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Serious question: how are NFTs doing


99% are complete garbage. The 'blue chips' still hold some serious value relative to the coin they're on.

It's niche but they do have a space for the future to survive
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