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Crazy story out of Netherlands: Dr. murders woman with dementia, is acquitted
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:06 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:06 am
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Lachlan Markay
@lachlan
A 74 year old Dutch woman with dementia had written she wanted to be euthanized "whenever I think the time is right." She insisted the time was not right. So her doctor drugged her coffee to sedate her, then killed her. A Dutch court just acquitted him
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Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:08 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Because of that Starbucks thread a few days ago, I'm more curious if it was a black coffee or one of those caramel mocha frappa bullshite things.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 10:09 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:10 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
To carry out the euthanasia, the physician drugged the patients coffee without her knowledge
Doesn't qualify as euthanasia, however does qualify as murder.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:11 am to Breauxsif
If she had dementia how would she know when the time was right?
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:12 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:12 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
And libs want to bring this practice to the states smh
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:15 am to Breauxsif
The sad thing is, there will absolutely be contrarian assholes that will come into the thread with their “AKSHAULLY” BS
Neckbeards with fedoras, magic the gathering card collections, and dorito residue on their fingertips
Neckbeards with fedoras, magic the gathering card collections, and dorito residue on their fingertips
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
were the family members also part of this trial? because if we are to believe this to be murder (I don't), the family members would be accessories, no?
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:why are you posting your description, this isn't a dating site.
Neckbeards with fedoras, magic the gathering card collections, and dorito residue on their fingertips
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:17 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'd have acquitted as well.
Dementia sucks, and I don't want to have it, nor does anyone I know. I have a grandparent and a grandparent-in-law going through it now, and they ain't there. The bodies are, but the mind/soul/whatever is not. They are a waste of time, money, energy, and resources.
We should ABSOLUTELY be able to discuss this within our society, but alas, religion prevents honest dialogue.
Dementia sucks, and I don't want to have it, nor does anyone I know. I have a grandparent and a grandparent-in-law going through it now, and they ain't there. The bodies are, but the mind/soul/whatever is not. They are a waste of time, money, energy, and resources.
We should ABSOLUTELY be able to discuss this within our society, but alas, religion prevents honest dialogue.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:18 am to Breauxsif
quote:
Doesn't qualify as euthanasia, however does qualify as murder.
I would imagine most cases of euthanasia happen without the person's knowledge, no?
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:18 am to bogart
quote:
If she had dementia how would she know when the time was right?
There’s varying degrees of dementia. The point of euthanasia, is that the recipient knowingly wants to die. The article states, the physician drugged her, WITHOUT her knowledge, which proves consent was not granted by the woman.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:18 am to BamaCoaster
quote:who disagreed with this? Doesn't mean you get to decide the outcome.
Dementia sucks, and I don't want to have it, nor does anyone I know. I have a grandparent and a grandparent-in-law going through it now, and they ain't there. The bodies are, but the mind/soul/whatever is not. They are a waste of time, money, energy, and resources.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:20 am to sacrathetic
quote:
When we don't value life at a cultural level, then bad things will inevitably happen until we do value it again.
Judgment is coming.
Without knowing the particulars, it is hard to judge. I certainly know plenty of people who would rather die than "be a burden" to their families. When you lose your mental faculties, it is hard to make good decisions.
I hope you or no one else has to ever make that decision.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:20 am to sand mountainDvalues
quote:
And libs want to bring this practice to the states smh
I'm not a liberal, but if someone (or myself) in my family was in horrific pain from a disease with no cure that will soon kill them, I would absolutely support their decision to choose to end their life on their terms in a peaceful, painless way. It is fricked up that people aren't allowed to do this in my opinion. We force people to suffer for months and even years when they just want to be released from the prison of their bodies.
Obviously, sound mind is critical here.
This case is all sorts of fricked up. The patient was not of sound mind and was not consenting. That is murder.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:22 am to BamaCoaster
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Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:23 am to SWCBonfire
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Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:23 am to Salmon
quote:
were the family members also part of this trial? because if we are to believe this to be murder (I don't), the family members would be accessories, no?
Why is it not murder? Did she consent?
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:24 am to TheCaterpillar
Far be it from me to tell a person with end stage ALS that has all mental faculties that they can't end their own pain peacefully with doctor supervision in the presence of family in their own bed.
That actually fires me up thinking about someone else telling them they can't do that. Incredibly fricked up. I'm leaving this thread.
That actually fires me up thinking about someone else telling them they can't do that. Incredibly fricked up. I'm leaving this thread.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:24 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:
Obviously, sound mind is critical here.
This case is all sorts of fricked up. The patient was not of sound mind and was not consenting. That is murder.
it isn't so simple
she gave consent when she still had a sound mind
at some point, it is the doctors decision as to when she no longer has a sound mind, which the doctors ruled she didn't, as she could no longer even recognize herself
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