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Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 2/14/24 at 5:59 pm
If you were wondering why most cops are morons.
Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops
-- A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.
But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.
Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.
EDIT: Yes, this is an oldie but a goodie
Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops
-- A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.
But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.
Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.
EDIT: Yes, this is an oldie but a goodie
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:06 pm to Gumbo Gary
Jesus, a 125 isn't even considered gifted. 130 (two standard deviations above the mean) is what is required for gifted in schools. Even that isn't amazing. My child is gifted (tested at 143) and the borderline kids were pretty much normal.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:08 pm to Gumbo Gary
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But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
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The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover
Did they have any numbers to support their theory?
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:10 pm to Gumbo Gary
You're overqualified has been a reason not to hire someone for as long as I remember. For the very reason they state, because companies expect you will leave for a more suitable job.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:11 pm to Gumbo Gary
Damn, this case just got settled? I remember this story from years ago.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:13 pm to Locoguan0
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My child is gifted (tested at 143) and the borderline kids were pretty much normal.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:14 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Damn, this case just got settled? I remember this story from years ago.
No, it's an oldie but a goodie.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:15 pm to Gumbo Gary
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:17 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Damn, this case just got settled? I remember this story from years ago.
no. the verdict is from 1999
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A New London policy that denied a job offer to a more intelligent applicant might be ignorant but it’s not illegal, at least not according to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. A federal appeals court ruled that the City of New London did not discriminate when it rejected a job application from a man who scored too high on an intelligence test.
Since the courts’ initial summary judgment in 1999 the story has made the rounds several times on the Internet, including a new round of repeats in recent months. Each time around the story inspires commentary about the reasons police agencies might avoid more intelligent applicants. Not as widely discussed are the reasons a court dismissed Robert Jordon’s appeal.
Attorneys for New London argued that city officials based their decision on instructions for the Wonderlic Personnel Test and Scholastic Level Exam, which recommends hiring employees who score at or near certain levels for various jobs. “Additionally, a body of professional literature concludes that hiring overqualified applicants leads to subsequent job dissatisfaction and turnover,” the court wrote.
Those studies about job satisfaction and turnover have been challenged but not refuted, the court reasoned. As long as the city has a rational basis for its policies, it’s not the court’s job to judge the wisdom of the policy, the 2nd Circuit Court stated. (See Robert Jordan v City of New London No. 99-9188, 2000 U.S. App. Lexis 22195 (Unpublished).)
A Nation of Laws
While the 2nd Circuit Court decision might leave room for further argument, it rests on an important principal of our tripartite system of government. Legislatures can pass unwise laws. Executive agencies can enact unwise policies. When a law is unwise but not unconstitutional, it’s up to voters – not the courts – to tell the government to wise up.
John Adams – the second president of the United States – is attributed with enshrining the principle in the Massachusetts Constitution: “(T)he judicial shall never exercise the legislative and executive powers, or either of them: to the end it may be a government of laws and not of men.”
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:17 pm to Locoguan0
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by Locoguan0...My child is gifted (tested at 143)
Gaston and this thread...
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:23 pm to Gumbo Gary
This is the Bee, right? Tell me this is the Bee.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:27 pm to LegendInMyMind
Nope. 28 year old case.
He was denied in 1996 and case was dismissed in 1999
He was denied in 1996 and case was dismissed in 1999
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:36 pm to Gumbo Gary
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Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125.
Hell, he wouldn’t even be allowed to post here with such a low IQ.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:39 pm to Gumbo Gary
OP definitely got clowned by some cops today
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