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re: Couple die in desert hike with nine year old son

Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:01 am to
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:01 am to
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I thought Jim claimed that his folks died in a car accident.

Yeah, but still.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105287 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:05 am to
Here's a Go Pro video of the Alkali Flat Trail. Two hours, with Chinese narration. This dude survived. Maybe Chinese are better acclimated to the heat. LINK
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:06 am to
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Who goes hiking in heat like that.



My exact thoughts when I saw that article.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:08 am to
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Yes he lived. Father kept saying the car is just over there. He was disoriented


Damn
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:12 am to
City folks
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:13 am to
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Who goes hiking in heat like that.



I don't walk to my mailbox in heat like that
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
14478 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:15 am to
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What kind of fricked up vacation is that?

"Hey Pierre, how about we walk across a desert this summer with no water to relax and have fun?"


first thought that popped in my head. Seriously what a stupid fricking "trail".
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
10296 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:15 am to
Natural selection at work
Posted by Mizzoufan26
Vacaville CA
Member since Sep 2012
18965 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:29 am to
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Reminds me of people trying to hike 8-10 mile trails in the Smokies in jeans and tennis shoes or flip flops who start their hikes at around 1 in the afternoon. These are the same people who try to get selfies with black bears.




So what would be ideal attire for that hike? Jeans makes sense to me and I'd imagine boots or nice tennis shoes, but I know nothing, Jon snow. So what would work
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 10:56 am
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21755 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:41 am to
These folks are not that unusual. As I contemplate the poor choice they made, I wonder why they didn't foresee the danger. Without knowing for sure, I will assume that warnings were posted by the trail, much less the obvious natural warning signs of the desert conditions themselves staring the couple in the face.

I think 3 factors must have been involved:

1) The Darwin principle. These folks just made a bad choice and the fault lies in their ignorance/stupidity/carelessness.

2) In our human and national efforts to be kind to each other and to make nature more easily "accessible", we have created a false "Disney-fication" of our National "Parks". People have come to expect that they will be protected by the big soft hand of government and would never be allowed into a dangerous situation that is "sponsored" by a governmental agency.

3) We have become desensitized to warnings. Thanks to lawyers, we are inundated with excessive warnings over even the most trivial of hazards. The effect has been to water down their effectiveness, especially on the dim-witted, who can't tell the difference between real and trumped up dangers.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
10296 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:48 am to
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In our human and national efforts to be kind to each other and to make nature more easily "accessible", we have created a false "Disney-fication" of our National "Parks".


I've been to Disney World in July. Near 100 degree temperatures. People can die.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:51 am to
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Length of trail: 4.6 miles (7.4 km) round-trip


How does anybody get in that kind of trouble walking less than five miles?



French are weak. Pretty sure I could run/jog that far to get back to the visitor center.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:55 am to
This is the way to do the White Sands...

LINK
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21755 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:57 am to
Putting aside the humor in your post, I'm sure you would agree that it's more than a little absurd to claim that "the French are weak" based off of this ONE couple.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:58 am to
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how do you get that far and THEN just realize holy shite it's hot and I have no water. damn French are clueless


France is about as big a Central. They figured wrong.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:02 am to
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Thanks to lawyers, we are inundated with excessive warnings over even the most trivial of hazards


It's not a lawyer's fault these frogs, likely dehydrated from a lifestyle of swilling wine and little water, decided to go John Wayne.

quote:

who can't tell the difference between real and trumped up dangers


I can. Then again, I'm a lawyer.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:04 am to
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Same way you get halfway through Russia and realize it's cold as shite. It's the kind of thing that they do.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:07 am to
this sounds like a chevy chase movie, only in the movie, a kentwood truck would have driven by right before death was upon them
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:09 am to
Can you imagine the jail sentence for the corporate fat cat who put a bunch of poles in the middle of the desert and enticed people to go walk around them in mid-day sun at 110+ heat?

Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:13 am to
BTW, this probably needs it's own thread.

Awesome police work...

quote:

They called the Otero County Sheriff's Office, which sent deputies and emergency responders, but 51-year-old Ornella Steiner already was dead.

"They were trying to figure out why she was on the trail by herself," Sheriff Benny House told CNN.

Looking at Steiner's camera for clues, the deputy saw photos of a man and boy at the park's entrance. They were unaccounted for, House said, so deputies then extended their search.


Kid's probably dead too without that heads up work.
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