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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:47 pm to MadDogs
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:47 pm to MadDogs
Ohio was shutting stuff down before any other state. Governor shut down Tattoo shops, barber shop and hair and nail salons yesterday. All but 5 BMVs are open. No tickets for expired tags. Only CDL testing is going on in ohio I believe. Not really following other states as closely as Ohio though
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Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:48 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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But let’s just get down to the point. Do you care if the ICUs become saturated and we can treat critical patients that need to be treated? If you answer no that’s fine, I get that everyone has a different opinion. But that’s the only way your do nothing approach makes any logical sense.
That is a baited question.
I care about patients. I think we should do everything we can for every patient that walks into the door. But, we have triage for a reason.
I’m not saying to not do anything. I’m perfectly fine if you want to make it national measure for every state to shut down non essential businesses for two weeks to spread out when every one is getting sick.
I think it is ridiculous for things to be postponed or canceled that is more than two weeks in advance. Life has to go on man. For the majority of people that get infected this will be nothing but a cold.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:49 pm to WaydownSouth
I really think there are some who are willing to sacrifice the livelihood of millions in order to save one.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:51 pm to NastyNatiNole
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What has Kentucky done differently from Ohio? And how many tests has Kentucky given compared to Ohio? The commute between Northern Kentucky. Boone,Kenton, and Campbell into Cincy and the Commute from Cincinnati into Northern Kentucky is pretty substantial. Really curious as to what Kentucky imposed that Ohio did not and when?
Pretty sure Beshear announced reduction of visitors to nursing homes (that’s been huge IMO) and requesting churches to suspend or go online for services (which was big as well) before most states.
We’ve been fairly in line with Ohio in all other closures (within a day or two) but residents here have also largely been taking it seriously. They’ve even moved the Derby and all KDF activities at this point, whose two weeks worth of activities would’ve started even before this week with what has been added in recent years.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:52 pm to WaydownSouth
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Life has to go on man
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I care about patients. I think we should do everything we can for every patient that walks into the door.
I think you are going to realize pretty soon that these two ideas are in conflict, and people will have to make a decision. I have my own beliefs but I’m not here to tell you what’s right or wrong.
The fact that you think this is a baited question tells me that deep down you already realize you will have to commit to a decision eventually.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
For me I'm confused as it's been suggested/predicted that bodies will be lining the streets basically BUT it seems like I've been hearing that for a month.
eta: we have number of positives in Louisiana BUT do we have numbers of serious/in hospital/in icu/on vents? Maybe releasing those numbers would cause some to panic BUT maybe releasing those numbers would cause people to say HOLY shite I BETTER STAY HOME.
eta: we have number of positives in Louisiana BUT do we have numbers of serious/in hospital/in icu/on vents? Maybe releasing those numbers would cause some to panic BUT maybe releasing those numbers would cause people to say HOLY shite I BETTER STAY HOME.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:02 pm to tiger91
I would assume every case admitted is considered critical.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I think you are going to realize pretty soon that these two ideas are in conflict, and people will have to make a decision
You conveniently, left of “which is why we have Triage”. The ideas are only in conflict in times of disaster.
Everyone has to make a decision. Looks like we are choosing to put millions out of work to hopefully save a few thousand (the majority of who would likely end up their over the next year anyway)
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:08 pm to WaydownSouth
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You conveniently, left of “which is why we have Triage”.
How are you defining “triage”?
Do you mean rationing care?
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:09 pm to WaWaWeeWa
What is Germany doing? Their death rate is an outlier at this point. Switzerland is also very low? What has Japan done to keep their case number so low?
It's all talk about Italy and I get that but it seems to me that the countries showing success are the ones that need looked at hard to see exactly what it is they are doing that others aren't.
It's all talk about Italy and I get that but it seems to me that the countries showing success are the ones that need looked at hard to see exactly what it is they are doing that others aren't.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:11 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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(in medical use) the assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses to decide the order of treatment of a large number of patients or casualties.
I’m no English major, but I’m unaware of any other definitions of triage in the medical language
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:15 pm to VABuckeye
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It's all talk about Italy and I get that but it seems to me that the countries showing success are the ones that need looked at hard to see exactly what it is they are doing that others aren't.
Media will always show you the house on fire, not the other houses in a neighborhood that are fine. It drives their ratings.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:15 pm to WaydownSouth
For me, that’s the definition of triage when you have available supplies/staff/etc.
When you run out of supplies/staff/etc. I call it rationing because you have to decide who gets care and who doesn’t.
When you run out of supplies/staff/etc. I call it rationing because you have to decide who gets care and who doesn’t.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:20 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:20 pm to fightin tigers
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Someone somewhere in here said that they had maybe a coworker or friend admitted with a positive test and she was only monitored for a few days and then discharged. SERIOUS wouldn't be monitored and discharged I wouldn't think but
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would assume every case admitted is considered critical.
Someone somewhere in here said that they had maybe a coworker or friend admitted with a positive test and she was only monitored for a few days and then discharged. SERIOUS wouldn't be monitored and discharged I wouldn't think but
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:34 pm to WaydownSouth
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Looks like we are choosing to put millions out of work to hopefully save a few thousand
Define a few thousand
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:36 pm to Pettifogger
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Nitrogen dioxide emissions in China are increasing again, new data show
After a two-month reduction in China's air pollution due in part to the January and February coronavirus restrictions, new data from Copernicus EU demonstrate the rise of nitrogen dioxide emissions in March as life begins to resume for the country.
LINK
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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There is no timeframe. It’s a rolling wave.
Even if you stopped all interaction immediately right now the amount of critical cases will continue to increase for probably 2 weeks because the newly diagnosed cases need time to progress to critical.
Not knowing how many infections are out there means that you don’t have a great idea of how big that wave is that’s coming. That’s why I think they will act more conservatively and probably start quarantine sooner than people think is appropriate. Just a guess.
Even if you lock everyone in their homes, the virus still spreads in families. That's why Italy's new cases haven't declined yet, even though the country went on full lockdown on March 10.
It's well past time for Orleans/Jefferson to be on full lockdown. The time for that was a week ago.
We have to give our hospitals more time. The ramp-up in testing that's coming next week as the new Abbott and Roche systems come online is going to be a big help, but we're still in for a long ride.
Hospitalization in Wuhan peaked a full month after lockdown.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:02 pm to GOP_Tiger
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We have to give our hospitals more time. The ramp-up in testing that's coming next week as the new Abbott and Roche systems come online is going to be a big help, but we're still in for a long ride.
Testing is not a cure.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:08 pm to RollTide1987
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Nitrogen dioxide emissions in China are increasing again, new data show
After a two-month reduction in China's air pollution due in part to the January and February coronavirus restrictions, new data from Copernicus EU demonstrate the rise of nitrogen dioxide emissions in March as life begins to resume for the country.
LINK
hell yeah pollution baby
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