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re: Cop shoots teen during Michigan traffic stop, lawsuit filed (possibly NSFW)
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:45 am to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:45 am to 13SaintTiger
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You're a bitch.
Ryno is just a shitty troll.
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Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:45 am to Peazey
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This is about the value of a human life. You obviously think human life is worth less than I do. I think that a person who decides to become police should not be trained that the public's life is worth so little that at the first hint of danger deadly force is justified. It doesn't make sense for police to be so risk averse to me.
Assault isn't punished with the death penalty for a reason. It's disproportionate reaction and punishment.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:46 am to 13SaintTiger
It's not his job to figure out if the teen can be controlled once the little punks arse decides to engage the officer instead of following simple demands.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:46 am to Bunta
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Ryno is just a shitty troll.
I have a hunch that his fat arse is being serious with this.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:46 am to Peazey
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This is about the value of a human life. You obviously think human life is worth less than I do. I think that a person who decides to become police should not be trained that the public's life is worth so little that at the first hint of danger deadly force is justified. It doesn't make sense for police to be so risk averse to me.
Assault isn't punished with the death penalty for a reason. It's disproportionate reaction and punishment.
I definitely agree to some extent. Police as a whole jump to deadly force way too quickly.
In this case though, if they go to the ground the officer's sidearm becomes a potential weapon for the guy (he's basically an adult). That's why they have to react like that in hand-to-hand combat. I wonder why the taser wasn't effective?
If the kid reach around the cop and easily could have had access to his sidearm, then that is automatically an escalation of the situation. Taking someone's life is obviously something that shouldn't be taken lightly. It's a shame that this happened, but I can see the officer's point of view.
I hate that he pulled him over for flashing his light though. Awful and very sad.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:47 am to 13SaintTiger
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It's bull shite and needs to be changed. If I'm down range and fricking hadji doesn't have a weapon or anything to destroy innocent lives, I can't shoot him, if I did I'd be sitting in Leavenworth. But our own police can take a teens life because he couldn't control the situation. It's bull shite.
That is nuts. I actually know a guy who was injured pretty badly in Afghanistan (he is mid thirties and will walk with a cane for life) and he always tell the story of when they got ambushed by the SAME group that they had a chance to take out two hours before but didn't have orders to shoot because they were only suspected of being Taliban and they couldn't engage even though they were armed. Sounded crazy to me. I couldn't imagine getting hit four times with an AK.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:47 am to Napoleon
That is not true to a certain extent. Police officers are allowed to use reasonable force. So if an office has mace and a baton and a taser, escalating to a gun is probably not acceptable unless something happens like here when you're rolling around on the ground with the assailant. That's how I understand it at least. And yes, officers have jurisdiction that citizens don't in regard to certain actions.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:48 am to notiger1997
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It's not his job to figure out if the teen can be controlled
Yes it is. The cop was looking for a fight. His stupid story didn't even add up. He could've easily waited until back up to arrive before getting into an altercation of that magnitude.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:50 am to Napoleon
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That is nuts. I actually know a guy who was injured pretty badly in Afghanistan (he is mid thirties and will walk with a cane for life) and he always tell the story of when they got ambushed by the SAME group that they had a chance to take out two hours before but didn't have orders to shoot because they were only suspected of being Taliban and they couldn't engage even though they were armed. Sounded crazy to me. I couldn't imagine getting hit four times with an AK.
But we allow our very own policemen to unproportionately escalate force on our very own citizens, kids none-the-less. And the response is "punk arse kid" "play stupid games".
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 11:52 am
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:52 am to 13SaintTiger
Work backwards from the end result, the shooting.
Everything that occurred was a result of the kid's actions. The officer was reacting to the kid's actions every step of the way.
Everything that occurred was a result of the kid's actions. The officer was reacting to the kid's actions every step of the way.
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 11:54 am
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:52 am to 13SaintTiger
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But we allow our very own policemen to unproportionately escalate force on our very own citizens, kids none-the-less. And the response is "punk arse kid" "play stupid games".
I can almost assuredly say that 95% of the people on this board would have liked to open up the rules of engagement in those types of situations.
No one is arguing with you.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:53 am to dualed
Damn 7 times?? I mean after the 3rd shot, this kid isn't going to do shite.
Hell 2 shots would scare the crap out of any teenager.
Hell 2 shots would scare the crap out of any teenager.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:54 am to Gator5220
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Everything that occurred was a result of the kid's actions. The officer was reacting to the kid's actions every step of the way.
Why couldn't the cop wait for backup in this situation. No matter how much you say it I won't agree that the kid's action justified his death.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:56 am to NoFlexZone
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Damn 7 times?? I mean after the 3rd shot, this kid isn't going to do shite.
Hell 2 shots would scare the crap out of any teenager.
7 times the teenager was shot but he deserved each bullet for each of his actions, says the board.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:56 am to Gusoline
quote:Well I would expect you to make such a strawman.
because hes a kid he should get a free pass on assaulting police and not get shot. You're an idiot. I hope if god forbid you ever have children they don't share your stupid philosophies.
I'm not giving the kid a free pass, I'm saying that a cop should be able to handle the situation enough where he didn't have to shoot anybody.
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 11:57 am
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:58 am to buckeye_vol
So when the taser failed to stop him and the officer was charged what should he have done?
Posted on 10/17/15 at 11:59 am to Gator5220
quote:Not killed him, just like any other capable non-LEO would have expected to do.
So when the taser failed to stop him and the officer was charged what should he have done
Usually a person of power is held to a higher standard, yet this expectation lowers in these situations.
This post was edited on 10/17/15 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:00 pm to buckeye_vol
Be more specific
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:00 pm to 13SaintTiger
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The cop is a bitch, nothing more, nothing less. He had to use a gun on a teen with no weapon. Imagine you getting into a altercation with a teen with no weapon and you shot the teen 7 times. You'd be rotting in jail.
Yeah but I know how to fight. That cop most likely has never been trained how to fight. I would feel pretty comfortable grappling with just about anyone off the street. Even if I did get in trouble I'm confident enough in my abilities that I can neutralize any real damaging threats.
You're glossing over the fact that both the teen and the cop went into full panic mode. When people panic the revert back to their training, almost subconsciously. The cops training was shoot to kill when in fear of his life. At the time, was probably in genuine fear of his life. Should he have been? No. He should have been able to remain calm. Unfortunately for both parties, he freaked out when that kid got in his face so he went for his gun.
I just fail to understand why people automatically think that they could handle themselves when put under that kind of stress. I don't know what kind of training you have but if I got in your face and put you on your back, are you going to wait around to see if I am going to choke you out or beat you to death? No, you're going to reach for your gun.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:00 pm to Gator5220
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So when the taser failed to stop him and the officer was charged what should he have done?
Knocked the teen the frick out, with a baton or his fricking fist.
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