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re: Cop shoots suspect in the back of the head while struggling to arrest him grabbing taser
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:20 pm to WDE24
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:20 pm to WDE24
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That places the officer in a position to make a very difficult decision/assessment with zero time.
Not really. If he doesn't have any backup, he really shouldn't pursue, imo, - ESPECIALLY if he hasn't had sufficient training to keep suspects from taking his weapons from him.
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If he doesn’t apprehend the suspect and the suspect is dangerous and goes on to commit a crime
I absolutely reject this line of reasoning. Was the fleeing suspect known to be armed? Was he known to have been convicted of previous violent crimes? Can't any citizen, whether they flee or not, be under suspicion for possibly committing violent crimes? Just because you obey the cop's commands doesn't mean you're not a violent criminal. Innocent until proven guilty.
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Fair enough. I’ve formed an opinion that I’ll readily change if additional information justifies a change.
I tend to side with the citizen over the government until evidence proves otherwise. Maybe that's just me.
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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In order to be considered a "criminal", you have to be found guilty of a crime in a court of law - not on the street.
While I see what you're saying, based on this argument no one could ever be found guilty because all criminals have to do would be to just run or fight a cop without the cop having any ability to do anything about it. No one would ever willing be arrested if they knew that's all they had to do to get away with said crime.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:22 pm to St Augustine
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Lyoya exited his car and eventually struggled with the officer. The pair struggled for a little over two minutes before the officer shot Lyoya.
Love how this is just kinda glossed over.
This.
When did it become acceptable to go for an officer's weapon?
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:22 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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The cop never should have let the man get a hold of his taser.
Jesus Christ. You really are retarded. You think cops are some sort of Olympic level mixed martial arts robots? You good with law enforcement agencies not hiring women or keeping anyone on the force that's outside of the ages 25-35?
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I still can't believe Americans will rationalize the state killing citizens without due process because, "who knows what they could do".
Self-defense =/= killing someone without due process.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:23 pm to Ayrton
quote:Yep, it sure is. Shooting a fine, upstanding citizen who chose to fight with said cop.
This is about a cop shooting.
Stupid games, stupid prizes
Only the weak minded get upset about this.
And yeah padnuh, that means you.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Remember when this woman was resisting arrest...?
She wasn’t grabbing the cop’s taser
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I absolutely reject this line of reasoning. Was the fleeing suspect known to be armed? Was he known to have been convicted of previous violent crimes? Can't any citizen, whether they flee or not, be under suspicion for possibly committing violent crimes? Just because you obey the cop's commands doesn't mean you're not a violent criminal. Innocent until proven guilty.
FFFFFUUUUUUUUCKKKKKK, I would love to drag your dumb arse into a constitutional law class at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:26 pm to VeniVidiVici
Is this the thread where the anti-vaxxers and Capitol rioters come to say comply or die? 
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:27 pm to DemonKA3268
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Only the weak minded get upset about this.
And yeah padnuh, that means you.
I'm not upset.Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:28 pm to RazorBroncs
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Even if there's a CHANCE of that happening you can't allow it as an officer, then it 100% becomes a life threatening situation where the officer has no means to protect himself. Cannot happen.
Allowing the criminal to gain access to the cop's weapon is what CANNOT HAPPEN.
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It's funny you seem to blame everyone and everything but the suspect himself
That's a lie, I'm not blaming you for anything.
But what's really funny is how everyone HATES the civil servant behind the desk, but everyone LOVES the civil servant with the gun. I guess an armed government is a polite government?
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But this will never get through your thick and disingenuous head and you'll continue to blame everyone and everything OTHER than the actual problem.
In many cases, government IS the problem. I'm sorry you're such a Big Government fan, I'm simply not. I hold the government to a higher standard.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:28 pm to Fun Bunch
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George Floyd held a gun to a pregnant woman’s belly in an armed robbery.
And his black privilege got him 5 years for that armed robbery/home invasion. When a white dude who committed pretty much the same crime, had no prior record outside of a public intoxication and traffic tickets got 75 years. I love it when people cry about disproportionate sentencing and such. They don't have a damn clue.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:30 pm to Ayrton
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I'm not upset.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:39 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I would just rather no one escalate the situation to increase the chance that someone could be killed in the commission of a crime
The world isn't this utopia that you're looking for. Some people behave like wild animals and need to be treated as such.
How about calling out the despicable state of black culture in this country where they learn to fight/run/resist about as soon as they learn to walk or talk? The place to fight an arrest is in the courtroom, not on the street.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:43 pm to RedHawk
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I would never be in this situation fighting with a cop.
That still doesn't mean you can't be a danger to society. After all, you want to know who was perfectly compliant with the police when pulled over for suspicious/missing plates?
Timothy McVeigh.
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He already decided to fight the cop and take his taser.
It's my understanding that the cop pulled out the taser first, and tried to hit the suspect with it. Perhaps the perp just didn't want the cop to tase him...
...bro.
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he already demonstrated that he is a violent person.
He tried to flee first. Only after the cop chased him, tackled him and tried to tase him did he become "violent" in trying to defend himself from the cop's initiation of violence. Simply fleeing is not an act of violence, although it does raise the suspicion of guilt a notch or two, but not to the level of guilt.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:43 pm to VADawg
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The place to fight an arrest is in the courtroom, not on the street
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
I came back to catch up and it seems you have gotten dumber since I left. Unbelievable.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:48 pm to ClientNumber9
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Jesus Christ. You really are retarded. You think cops are some sort of Olympic level mixed martial arts robots?
No. Is that what it would take to prevent criminals from taking weapons off of the police? If not, what is?
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Self-defense =/= killing someone without due process.
The cop CLEARLY put himself in the position of having to defend his own life after pursuing the fleeing suspect, tackling him, and proceeding to try to tase him.
Sometimes it's best to let the fleeing suspect go. After all, who else was in the car? Did the cop just let them go while in pursuit of the driver?
I'm sorry that my initial response is to not trust the government. Not really, I'm not sorry at all.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:54 pm to FlatwoodsForester
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if you become aggressive with a cop
I don't see running away as becoming aggressive, pursuit and tackling is.
I just have a problem with thinking, "Well, if you just do whatever the government tells you, you won't have to worry about getting shot in the head".
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:56 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
I distrust and have absolutely no use for the government as well but I don't really understand the alarm with police shootings. We as a society decided to have laws in order protect us from each other. We hire people to enforce our own laws that we create. So it doesn't make sense to me when a member of our society eludes, evades, or even worse assaults the people who we have hired to enforce our laws.
When someone is non-compliant with law enforcement they are non-compliant with the greater good that we seek via a law governed society. I am not saying that this justifies murder (this case is definitely not murder) but I am saying that you place yourself at risk for injury or death when you fight with the people who we pay to enforce our laws. Consequently I have more sympathy for a squirrel run over in the road that I do for this person.
When someone is non-compliant with law enforcement they are non-compliant with the greater good that we seek via a law governed society. I am not saying that this justifies murder (this case is definitely not murder) but I am saying that you place yourself at risk for injury or death when you fight with the people who we pay to enforce our laws. Consequently I have more sympathy for a squirrel run over in the road that I do for this person.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm consistent in my distrust of government.
No, you're consistent in defending dumbass actions of criminals.
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