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re: Cop shoots drunk disorderly fireman who should have complied
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Again we are not talking about the heavyweight champion of the world. A cop should be able to defend himself against an off duty fireman long enough for backup to come
The officer actually did not employ and strikes, empty hand tactics, to the subject so I thought this board would be happy. Generally cops are bashed for "abusing" people. This is a good example of why officers are often quick to defend themselves. Perhaps those of you that are somewhat objective will stew on this.
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:38 pm to Festus
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Just wondering, have you ever tried to subdue and handcuff an intoxicated felon alone?
No, but I'm not a cop. Police are trained to handle situations like this.
BTW, I think the killing was justified.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:39 pm to Festus
I put partial blame on the pusscake videoing and talking down to the cop in his effeminate voice.
Instead of assisting the officer, who WAS- despite what some think here- clearly in a struggle for his life, he stands there like a character on Big Bang Theory proving what a wimp he is.
I consider that disgraceful. And I do believe that the idiot firefighter would be alive, right now- and the cop wouldn't have to carry the burden of killing him for the rest of his life.
And before anyone says 'that's not his job'- I say "bullshite". It was the RIGHT THING to do, in this case- and no one present had the balls to do it. Sad.
Instead of assisting the officer, who WAS- despite what some think here- clearly in a struggle for his life, he stands there like a character on Big Bang Theory proving what a wimp he is.
I consider that disgraceful. And I do believe that the idiot firefighter would be alive, right now- and the cop wouldn't have to carry the burden of killing him for the rest of his life.
And before anyone says 'that's not his job'- I say "bullshite". It was the RIGHT THING to do, in this case- and no one present had the balls to do it. Sad.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:41 pm to oleheat
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Instead of assisting the officer, who WAS- despite what some think here- clearly in a struggle for his life, he stands there like a character on Big Bang Theory proving what a wimp he is.
I don't think you are supposed to assist the officers in this situation. Seems like a good way to get yourself hurt/killed
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Any resistance, hold off for backup.
So that they subject can get a running start at you? I don't know if you think before you post sometimes. Do you honestly believe all of this has not been considered by every police agency in this country. The best and safest way to handle subjects has become policy through decades of experience. When something works it is added and when something fails it is removed.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:42 pm to Sevendust912
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No, but I'm not a cop. Police are trained to handle situations like this.
It's impossible to train anyone for every situation that occurs. Every single one is different. To assume that every cop is trained to handle every single permutation of every single situation that could possibly occur is just.....I don't even know what word to use.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:43 pm to Sevendust912
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Seems like a good way to get yourself hurt/killed
By the fireman that every cop in the world should be able to beat up or by the officer who's life you are saving?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:43 pm to Sevendust912
quote:You arent, but the cop clearly asked for civilian assist, at that point he was allowed to assist the cop. I dont but alot of blame on the camera man, but i think some should fall on his feet. He thought he was being clever filming for police "brutality"
I don't think you are supposed to assist the officers in this situation. Seems like a good way to get yourself hurt/killed
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:45 pm to DanTiger
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So that they subject can get a running start at you?
Not to mention leave his hands free to get hold of a concealed weapon. There's a reason they put you in cuffs.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:45 pm to DanTiger
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By the fireman that every cop in the world should be able to beat up or by the officer who's life you are saving?
Either one I guess. I was responding to the guy who said it was disgraceful to not help the cop. Doesn't seem worth it to me to break up a fight and get yourself hurt/killed.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:47 pm to Placebeaux
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the cop was within his rights and the people filming should be charged with obstruction of justice. They distracted the cop allowing the drunk to gain position.
I actually fully agree with you on this. The two filming yelled at the cop a second before the firefighter turned him over and they clearly distracted the cop as he even looked up and yelled to them that he was alone. They should be charged with obstruction.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:50 pm to DanTiger
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So that they subject can get a running start at you? I don't know if you think before you post sometimes
Don't get your feelings hurt. I'm saying it was justified but have dealt with JPD enough to know how they deescalate confrontations successfully, and it rarely if ever involves officer violence.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:51 pm to Sevendust912
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I don't think you are supposed to assist the officers in this situation. Seems like a good way to get yourself hurt/killed
Not sure where you heard that- but I never have.
I would submit to you that some chances are worth taking. This is about as good an example as you'll find where some assistance could have made a life-saving difference. This LEO didn't WANT it to come down to this.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:53 pm to oleheat
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Not sure where you heard that- but I never have.
Depends. Sometimes they'll ask for your help, other times you're interfering.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:53 pm to oleheat
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I would submit to you that some chances are worth taking. This is about as good an example as you'll find where some assistance could have made a life-saving difference. This LEO didn't WANT it to come down to this
You must be a better person than I. No way am I jumping in to break up a fight between a cop and a guy I don't know.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:54 pm to DanTiger
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By the fireman that every cop in the world should be able to beat up or by the officer who's life you are saving?
Thank you. Was thinking the same thing....This story keeps jumping around.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:57 pm to Festus
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Like every drunk is equal? You serious?
Just wondering, have you ever tried to subdue and handcuff an intoxicated felon alone?
Drunk people are the worst to fight. They give no fricks.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 2:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Depends. Sometimes they'll ask for your help, other times you're interfering.
Well, sure- but I don't think this was one of those times.
Just my opinion, though.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 2:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Don't get your feelings hurt. I'm saying it was justified but have dealt with JPD enough to know how they deescalate confrontations successfully, and it rarely if ever involves officer violence.
I am sure this officer has been involved in too many of those situations to count as well. Most officers have. This one just didn't work out.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 2:08 pm to Sophandros
Holy shite.
This is why you conceal carry.
This is why you conceal carry.
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