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re: Contractors blame 'toxic' relationship with City Hall for New Orleans road work delays

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Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
73513 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:00 am to
first upvote. for bringing facts
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171950 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:02 am to
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city has had this money for YEARS.


$2 billion was under audit and wasn't able to be used until 2018.

I'm not defending the city at all, I'm just saying that's a significant road block (no pun intended) that held things up for a long time.

edit: I'm also just spitballing/taking guesses. I don't claim to know anything about what's really going on.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 9:03 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26386 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:03 am to
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All of this on top of vehicle and job trailer vandalism, and murders ON JOB SITES are never addressed by the city. Never.



They are busy with other personal priorities.

Some hogs have all four feet and their snout in the trough.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
15086 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:11 am to
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Anyone that trusts government is clearly blind. And also obviously failed history class.
Or, they said "Why I needa know all this ol' shite for?" IF they got a decent history teacher/class at all.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5593 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:20 am to
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$2 billion was under audit and wasn't able to be used until 2018.


audits always follow the federal money. however, payment to ongoing projects are not frozen during an audit. new bids may be halted (I do NOT think this is accurate), but that is possible. i do not recall.

the city also decided not only to hire in house Project managers (additional overhead), as well as hire an engineering firm to help "project manage" these jobs.

so over and above adding payroll to the city even after these money is spent (or taken back by FEMA), but it also adds yet another layer of approvals that is required to approve a payment, or a change.

a "normal" new orleans project receives payment in approximately 90-100 days. all contracts state payment in 30 days. their list of excuses is exhausting. and BS.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171950 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:23 am to
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the city also decided not only to hire in house Project managers (additional overhead), as well as hire an engineering firm to help "project manage" these jobs.

so over and above adding payroll to the city even after these money is spent (or taken back by FEMA), but it also adds yet another layer of approvals that is required to approve a payment, or a change.


That's so classically Louisiana.

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a "normal" new orleans project receives payment in approximately 90-100 days. all contracts state payment in 30 days. their list of excuses is exhausting. and BS.


Damn, seriously? If true, I definitely don't blame the contractors.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5593 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:35 am to
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Damn, seriously? If true, I definitely don't blame the contractors.

100% true. the suppliers wind up financing the projects in most cases. in a few cases the contractors finance it, but mainly the materials manufacturer/supplier floats them.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:40 am to
The city is getting exactly what it voted for.
Posted by Duckhammer_77
TD Platinum member
Member since Nov 2016
3005 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:45 am to
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a lot of unmapped and undocumented gas lines, drainage lines, etc. And most are probably not in good shape.

this
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a contractor is brought out to rework a catch basin and ends up finding a whole bunch of other things wrong

guaranteed every time
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requests information or guidance from the city, who in turn ignores them entirely.

been there, got the tshirt
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New Orleans government's primary focus is to create paychecks

30% of them actually work 50% of the time.
Posted by goodgrin
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2003
6772 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:09 am to
So...black Democrats are at fault here?
Posted by nismosao
Slidell
Member since Mar 2008
932 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:11 am to
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in defense of the city, consulting engineers are lazy. add that to the city employees that are largely incapable of making decisions equals these insane delays that you see now


I'll take your bait. I'm a consulting engineer for one of the city projects, but state owned. It has nothing to do with the consulting engineers being lazy. I have a project where the state contact person has taken over a year to respond to my change order paperwork. A year of me calling and emailing weekly. I thought the person was dead from Covid. This person called recently, as if they haven't been avoiding me for a year, and said "Ok, I think it's time to finish this one up."

All of this on a project with a Contractor not from the area who was given the project because they knew someone.

Yet some people think we need to raise taxes. The government has no idea how to properly spend the money they have.
Posted by Showplay
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
184 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:14 am to
Can also add that both the contractor groups and engineering firms begged the city to hire a qualified and experienced 3rd party program management firm to handle this before the work started. Nola the only major city in the country to do it the way they have tried and failed.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:14 am to
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Maybe there is some hope for that industry.....

There's not.
You can bet your arse that writer has been warned, at the least, and "it won't happen again".
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
23867 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:17 am to
Clara St between Roberts and Valence, (About the length of a football field) next to the firehouse took a year to lay asphalt.

Unrelated to the street. (Which was done before Covid) Our firehouse has been getting renovated since last April. Almost an entire year we’ve been displaced, while they drag their feet. To replace the bare minimum, of a 100 year old house, with funds from FEMA, given to the city for Katrina. Mother fricking Katrina money.

Contractors told us the same exact thing about the city.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127760 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:19 am to
My favorite New Orleans tradition is a construction crew ripping up a street for several blocks (instead of just doing it in sections), and then leaving it torn up for months and months and months.

And then eventually doing a little bit at a time.
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
23867 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:22 am to
So the reason it goes months after it’s ripped up is because the construction crews need S&WB to do their part with water lines and drainage.
It’s not the construction crews laying the street. It’s the city that holds up the progress.
I know this because we waited a year for our street to be finished. Tearing up a million dollar fire truck, while the city sat on their hands.
Posted by Cdonaldson27
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2015
1076 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:49 am to
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the City of New Orleans is actively recruiting large contractors from other areas of the country to come bid this work

Any additional information on this?
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5154 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:44 am to
I've been a contractor my whole life. Nothing here is surprising.

The good contractors know which clients to avoid and simply don't bid work at that place. So now you have the bottom feeders and suckers bidding. A contract is issued and it becomes a marriage of thieves and incompetents. The result is the locals get screwed every time.

If there were honest money and value in these contracts, why isn't Bechtel, Perini, Boh Brothers, Tudor, Gray, Clayco, any big name contractors getting involved?

Because they know this s*** stinks and don't want to be within ten miles of it.

I personally have a list of no-bids, and Orleans parish, New Orleans, Chicago, Saint Louis, and New York are permanent members. No way, no how, no thank you. Ten years ago one of my junior salesmen sold something on Long Island without asking and I did everything I could to get out of it.

It's like sticking your head in an alligator's mouth. Somebody knows how to do it. There is probably a way to do it. I don't care to tackle that learning curve as someone got bit on the way up that ladder.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 11:46 am
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
32045 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 12:07 pm to


Strikes again.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44062 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 12:38 pm to
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Mostly backed by FEMA funds tied to Hurricane Katrina reconstruction,


so the 24 year-olds working on the project were in Kindergarten when it was first approved
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