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re: Come on Texas. Our grid is supposed to be impenetrable

Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:15 pm to
Posted by Slingscode
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
2189 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:15 pm to
July about $350
Posted by tiger09
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
228 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:19 pm to
quote:

long term investment, looking good so far


I’m being sincere when asking, what’s the time to payout? Seems like 10-15 yrs on an undiscounted cash flow basis that also ignores the opportunity cost vs other investments, but am I not thinking about this correctly?

Can you use the battery storage to power your house in a blackout?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16511 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:24 pm to
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I’m being sincere when asking, what’s the time to payout?

There’s no singular answer for this and it’s impossible to do an ROI without a properly designed and modeled system. I’ve seen systems with less than 5 year paybacks and some up to 15. Rarely ever over 15 and that’s modeled with conservative inflation numbers. It’s unique for every house and consumption profile.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118228 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:28 pm to
That’s right.
I’m sorry. Not sure why I asked.


Congrats on all the electrified fluorescent sex, if you have it.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77727 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:31 pm to
Leaders lead.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
33368 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:35 pm to
quote:

. Of the 38MW of wind capacity installed, I doubt it ever generates 100% of nameplate capacity even for a second. On average, you can expect about 30-40% generation for wind.

They accounted for 50% of the windmills falling apart and pissing oil all over their green world.
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21481 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:01 pm to
Im good in Houston my ninja.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
44875 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:57 am to
Things will improve when temps drop starting Sunday. Won’t late very long but temps will improve greatly in 3-4 weeks.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Member since May 2020
11982 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:44 am to
quote:

Not do sure about all that. Texas is a big place. Urban areas maybe, but rural Texas is as conservative a they come


Ok and rural places in CA are as conservative as they come too. The point being Tx overall is still closer to Ca than it is to the Southeast. If most of the population is urban and most of that is liberal or turning liberal, it’s obvious.
Posted by Larry_Hotdogs
Texas
Member since Jun 2019
1890 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:23 am to
quote:

Ok and rural places in CA are as conservative as they come too. The point being Tx overall is still closer to Ca than it is to the Southeast. If most of the population is urban and most of that is liberal or turning liberal, it’s obvious.


This reads like you are from California and read a bunch of political Reddit posts about Texas and are now an expert.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42314 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:57 am to
Having worked directly with a facility related to wind generation, I can tell you that Texas requires the wind generation providers to also have peaking plants to provide supplemental and/or replacement power in the event the wind generation cannot keep up due to excess demand or inadequate wind.

The one I worked at had huge reciprocating natural gas generators that could be online within 5 minutes. I think I did that job 15 years ago or so.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
44875 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:21 am to
Unplug your car. My pool fountains are more important.
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6434 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:23 am to
It wasn't even that hot yesterday. Some systems must have been offline.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
107475 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:53 am to
It was 103 in Houston yesterday. Yeah not that hot. 104 today. 105 tomorrow.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9415 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:02 am to
Has anything actually happened with this yet?

A month of hitting a 100 and then an additional 7 to 10 days of hitting around 109, and I was just aware of some emails asking to try to lower usage between 3pm and 9pm several times. No actual loss of power due to grid issues.

No warnings or requests to lower usage yet with this jump back into the 100s for several days.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
44875 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:03 am to
Highs are in the 80’s starting Sunday.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9415 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:18 am to
I just saw reverses are in the green

quote:

Last Updated: Sep 7, 2023 11:15 CT
OPERATING RESERVES:
6,444 MW
NORMAL CONDITIONS
There is enough power for current demand.


Will go lower and start rising again. Storage (part of reserves) is currently only 0.2% of the fuel mix at 147MW

Edit: almost 20 minutes later power storage down to 39 MW or 0.1% of mix. Reserve & storage go up & down, but they seem to really go down with increased usage for time between sun going down & wind picking up even though both natural gas and coal seem to have enough capacity to increase production to handle increased demand for that time period.

Maybe extra capacity sold off, can’t adjust production that quickly even though still below summer capacity, or not enough bought in ahead of time due to incorrect weather forecast at the time decisions had to be made. It has happen before.

Storage capacity is supposed to greatly increase by July 2024.
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This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 3:59 pm
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6434 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

It was 103 in Houston yesterday.


Not sure where in Houston you are. My outdoor thermostats never got above 99.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:40 pm
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
46212 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:50 pm to
Spending more on NIL, no time for electricity
Posted by Slingscode
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
2189 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

I’m being sincere when asking, what’s the time to payout? Seems like 10-15 yrs on an undiscounted cash flow basis that also ignores the opportunity cost vs other investments, but am I not thinking about this correctly?

Can you use the battery storage to power your house in a blackout?


OK, so here's the story....

When we moved to Magnolia, TX about two years ago we knew that the grid was not as reliable as what we were used to. Many folks have generators. I was all set to get one as well; then my oldest son (Tesla fanboy) spoke up and asked us to consider a Tesla system. This comprises solar panels and a battery backup system. Tesla has sized our system to generate 19.2 kW and to store a total of 51 in our three batteries. This will run our house for appx 12 hours. Yearly estimated production is 17,000 kWh. We have had this Tesla system for about 10 months.

This allows us to have uninterrupted power when the grid fails and since we are using Tesla Electric as our provider, we buy/sell for a fixed price for our own consumption. We keep our batteries 50% full at all times and anything extra we sell at market prices.

Was this the most cost effective way to go? I don't know. I agreed to this mostly as a nod to my oldest sons' wishes. However, it does seem to be working well for us so far.

To be clear, we have not been on Tesla Electric for very long. Around 3 months I would say. Costs by month since on Tesla Electric. June: $6, July: $90.21, August: $-21.54.

Oh, just counted, we have 47 panels.
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