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re: Colorized version of famous photograph showing Robert E. Lee one week after surrendering
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:10 am to DownSouthCrawfish
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:10 am to DownSouthCrawfish
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I’m the triggered one btw
Your brave attempts at insulting long dead confederate soldiers is noted.
Care to discuss anything on the subject? Tactics of the Union? Impact of Stonewalls death on the outcome of the war? Would that have even mattered considering the resource gap between the 2? What if Pickett’s charge didn’t happen?
Or you just gonna hurr durr your way through this thread?
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:14 am to Gumbaw
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Slavery wasn't the cause of the Civil War. The South wanted its own currency and to leave the US banking system. History isn't black and white..no pun intended.
Another product of southern revionsionist history.
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January 7, 1861, the ordinance signed in Montgomery that “it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the Slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States.”
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On February 2, 1861, Texas declared its decision to be “based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color—a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law.”
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March 9, 1861, Arkansas’s George B. Smoote added a resolution: “Resolved, that the platform on the party known as the Black Republican Party contains unconstitutional dogmas, dangerous in their tendency and highly derogatory to the rights of slave states, and among them the insulting, injurious and untruthful enunciation of the right of the African race of their country to social and political equality with the whites.”
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April 17, 1861 latecomer Virginia, provoked by Lincoln’s raising troops to suppress the already seceded states, declared “Lincoln’s opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery” as it cut ties with Washington.
Oddly currency. Not really mentioned much.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:15 am to BugAC
Hurr durring is more entertaining to be honest
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:15 am to Damone
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Rofl I love Lost Cause morons
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:18 am to Rouge
quote:Rashad Erving Lee
I don't care to see a colored version of General Lee
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:18 am to Gumbaw
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All wars are banker wars.
WHEN are people going to understand that this is EXACTLY the case?
And that's the truth whether it was CW, WW1, or WW2. (By the time we got to Korea, Nam, Iraq, OR the Global "Reset" war, they became Bankers-Corp-Defense Co. wars)
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:21 am to BestBanker
The union split over issues related to the Missouri compromise and Buchanan's failure to alleviate concerns. Slavery was a root cause of succession. The states left because they knew that abolition was on the table. Now it was expected that Virginia, Delaware and Maryland would remain in the union. Even as slave states. During the entire Civil War there were still two union slave states.
This does not make slavery not a root cause of the war.
If there were no restrictions on new states being slave states or free states, there never would have been a civil war. Sure South Carolina was pissed off about taxation on raw materials that the Yankee states didn't have to pay on textiles made from materials. Though that alone didn't start the war.
This does not make slavery not a root cause of the war.
If there were no restrictions on new states being slave states or free states, there never would have been a civil war. Sure South Carolina was pissed off about taxation on raw materials that the Yankee states didn't have to pay on textiles made from materials. Though that alone didn't start the war.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:25 am to Ace Midnight
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reasonable compromise in the 1850s
This. I always like to point to the failures of the 1850s as the cause of the war.
And yes Robert E Lee is a top 3 all time US general. He was loyal to his home state. Had Virginia stayed in the union. We would me honoring him like we honor other great leaders.
Instead we talk highly of true losers like Gen Custer.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:28 am to RollTide1987
Loser general in color
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:29 am to Gumbaw
(Your link at the 6:14 mark) A wild, fascinating assertion:
At the CW outset, Britain AND France were almost going to invade America ON THE CONFEDERACY'S behalf ( Russia convinced them otherwise and came to Lincoln's aid)
All of this has the fingerprints of "finance" and blood-profiteering all over the entire American Civil War.
At the CW outset, Britain AND France were almost going to invade America ON THE CONFEDERACY'S behalf ( Russia convinced them otherwise and came to Lincoln's aid)
All of this has the fingerprints of "finance" and blood-profiteering all over the entire American Civil War.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:29 am to Liberator
Sadly you do have a point. Going back hundreds and hundreds of years. Hell you can go back to the classical Era. Most wars are fought for economic gains.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:30 am to UKWildcats
No question
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:30 am to Gumbaw
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Slavery wasn't the cause of the Civil War. The South wanted its own currency and to leave the US banking system. History isn't black and white..no pun intended.
Slavery was but one of many issues that caused it. Tariffs on imports to protect northern industries had a lot to do with it because it hurt the cotton trade, and the southern states wanted to trade with Europe on their own.
Like all wars, it was mostly economics.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:33 am to UKWildcats
quote:Probably would have compromised to maintain state rights and abolish slavery.
If US Grant and Sherman could see what's happening now in this country, they'd have packed up and turned around.
Plus, if they knew how much the country would struggle financially the next 50 years, and that it would let the bankers and fed take over, they probably would have never started.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:35 am to Liberator
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All of this has the fingerprints of "finance" and blood-profiteering all over the entire American Civil War.
Even if they did, they would’ve still took a L
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:37 am to deltaland
The way textiles weren't taxed yet raw materials were caused a major issue with legitimate shipping. I remember that being the primary cause for South Carolina because Charleston was being strangled by the tariffs.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:39 am to Mahootney
I think even with no war. Slavery would have ended by 1885.
It was falling out of favor fast and advancement in steam technology started to allow less people to work larger fields.
Manumission similar to what Brazil did was likely.
It was falling out of favor fast and advancement in steam technology started to allow less people to work larger fields.
Manumission similar to what Brazil did was likely.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:40 am to RollTide1987
Lee knew derangement syndrome way before Trump was ever born.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:44 am to BestBanker
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when in fact, has nothing to do with slavery
Jesus. People like you actually exist?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:55 am to Napoleon
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I think even with no war. Slavery would have ended by 1885. It was falling out of favor fast and advancement in steam technology started to allow less people to work larger fields. Manumission similar to what Brazil did was likely.
It actually wasn’t hence the war and everything
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