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re: Civil War time travel question/debate

Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:55 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:55 pm to
The way it could work, and it wouldn't take SOF forces, just any modern formation with airmobile capability, is a coup de main on Richmond or Washington while Congress was in session. A company or so with modern weapons should be able to capture most of the political leadership with very little bloodshed. That ends the war immediately.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24160 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:59 am to
First of all you dont have 100 seals against the entire union army. You have 100 seals against whatever force is in front of them. Say you are at Gettysburg. 100 seals moving in the dead of night with todays rifles,night vision scopes, and body armor, they would easily take out any defense ahead of them. You push in the regular forces (confederates) behind them in the breach. The seals would be almost unstoppable. They would turn the tide of any battle, therefore, could turn the tide of the war.
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21200 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:48 am to
All the seals would have to do would be put out mines and clay mores and wait for the union charge. Then go in and cleanup up after the aftermath.

The union soldiers would eventually gets carried to cross fields etc.......

Seal snipers take out

Union
Military
Anderson Buell Butler Burnside Du Pont Farragut Foote Frémont Grant Halleck Hooker Hunt McClellan McDowell Meade Meigs Ord Pope D.D. Porter Rosecrans Scott Sheridan Sherman Thomas
Civilian
Adams Chase Ericsson Hamlin Lincoln Pinkerton Seward Stanton Stevens Wade Welles

This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 3:55 am
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60285 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:56 am to
Do the Seals get satelite support, can they paint lasers with occasional air support? Do they have infinite ammo?

Because if not, they're screwed.
Posted by Michael J Cocks
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Member since Jun 2007
47156 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:18 am to
quote:

First of all you dont have 100 seals against the entire union army. You have 100 seals against whatever force is in front of them. Say you are at Gettysburg. 100 seals moving in the dead of night with todays rifles,night vision scopes, and body armor, they would easily take out any defense ahead of them. You push in the regular forces (confederates) behind them in the breach. The seals would be almost unstoppable. They would turn the tide of any battle, therefore, could turn the tide of the war.


This was kind of what I was thinking yesterday. Also, wanted to pose the question, do they get an unlimited amount of ammo? Or just what they can carry through the time machine? I think even a group of rangers could do it using gorilla tactics and night raids with Kevlar and nvg's.
Posted by LasVegasTiger
Idaho
Member since Apr 2008
8563 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:33 am to
quote:

do they get an unlimited amount of ammo?


Yes. In my original question I said unlimited ammo, assault rifles, AK's and sniper rifles. (I was informed SEALS would never use AK's, but I rolled with it because the question also involves time travel so what the hell)


Can't believe this is still going, been some good reads though.
Posted by MrExclusive
Member since Mar 2014
97 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:51 am to
it would be interesting to see how the civil war era forces adapt to the strategy that SEALS use...


they wouldn't be marching around in columns for long
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:54 am to
They couldn't carry enough bullets.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:55 am to
Best tactic would be to recruit civilians to suicide bomb outposts and encampments.

Seems to work well enough in 2014.....
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 9:00 am
Posted by Scream4LSU
Member since Sep 2007
1192 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:58 am to
Exactly. Discussed in detail throughout the thread. Lots of disrespect regarding the Civil War commanders ability to adapt to the Seals tactics in a rapid manner. Several people site that they were very familiar with guerrilla tactics and were using them well before the civil war. Like Herm said "You play to win the game" and the game at that time was line up and fight it out in a conventional manner. If that wasn't the game they would adapt.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 8:59 am
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:59 am to
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If that wasn't the game they would adapt.


see my post above.

You bring them into a game that they want no part of.
Posted by Scream4LSU
Member since Sep 2007
1192 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:03 am to
Meh... They were losing 20K a battle, not enough to alter the outcome. But I think there are even tactics the seals don't leverage today that could make a difference.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:27 am to
The most common cannon of the civil war had a range of around 2,000 yards.

While there have been 2,000+ yard sniper kills, they are rare. World record sniper kills are 2,500+ yards.

The SEALS couldn't just pick off artillery batteries. They'd be out ranged by the cannon.

Plus, all of the black powder going off would make the Union/CSA lines very smokey which would also affect sniping.

Too many people thinking that sniping would be a huge advantage for the SEALs.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 9:35 am
Posted by warr09
Georgia by way of Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
800 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:38 am to
Do they go back with historical knowledge of all battles? Most Special Ops, Ranger, Advance troops I have met over tge years are well educated and tend to be history buffs. All it takes is just a small amount of change and most battles from previous eras could have gone either. Know where to support ans you change history. Seals waiting for Washington to cross......end of war.

Intel is often more important than any other component. Without it you have no idea what your getting into.
Posted by Michael J Cocks
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Member since Jun 2007
47156 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:27 am to
The ability to infiltrate and recon. The ability to to train and force multiply. You give a SEAL team a week or so with a subpar confederate company, and they will grow exponentially better with their weapon skills and tactics.

These are the huge difference makers IMO, not the sniping. And lol at adapting to their tactics, like the SEALs can't re-adapt. At that point, you'll be playing into their hand. Some of you are acting like you're gonna eventually circle them all up and either kill them with brute force, or artillery..... Which I don't see being the case. shite, they'll be jacking the artillery for themselves. There were literally zero to minimal counter insurgency tactics at the time. They could exploit that to the fullest, then when the north did adapt, they're on to the next trick.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 10:38 am
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10984 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:40 am to
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They couldn't carry enough bullets.


True, eventually the SEALS would run out of ammo unless they could send the good old time machine back and forth to restock. If they were limited to what they came with, then eventually the playing field would be leveled when the SEALS would have to use Civil War era rifles.
Posted by Michael J Cocks
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Member since Jun 2007
47156 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:45 am to
quote:

e, eventually the SEALS would run out of ammo unless they could send the good old time machine back and forth to restock. If they were limited to what they came with, then eventually the playing field would be leveled when the SEALS would have to use Civil War era rifles.


The OP said this wasn't a stipulation though. I guess we are assuming that when they run low on ammo, there's some automatic resupply cache or something but that's the tipping point for me. The downside of that though, is when or if a SEAL happens to fall, you'd have to police the frick out of their weapons and ammo, or it falls into the hands of your enemy.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10984 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:55 am to
quote:

The OP said this wasn't a stipulation though.


Frick, I guess unlimited ammo means the time machine is gonna get a workout. Could you imagine how much damage they could do to a firing line with a few Claymores?
Posted by LasVegasTiger
Idaho
Member since Apr 2008
8563 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Frick, I guess unlimited ammo means the time machine is gonna get a workout


Yep, unlimited ammo. A Delorean will be working overtime.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10984 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:00 am to
quote:

A Delorean will be working


Having a flashback to the Back to the Future kid showing Paw the mutant in his comic book. Choot him Paw.....
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