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re: CDC says vaccinated people can transmit covid just as easily
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:50 am to cubsfan5150
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:50 am to cubsfan5150
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So what's the legit true story?
1) The vaccine was promoted to the masses as being an immunity to COVID
2) The govt and media have been pushing everyone to get this immunity NOW
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On March 29, CDC Director Walensky told MSNBC that "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick. It's not just in the clinical trials," the director added, "but it's also in real world data."
3) However, health professionals in the US and most other countries have produced results that now show the opposite of what the US was being told, so the CDC reverses course, and finally lets the cat out of the bag
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CDC Director Rochelle Wallensky said: “Data from multiple countries and regions shows that people who have been vaccinated can spread COVID-19. Vaccinated people who get infected with Delta variant carry the same viral load as those who are unvaccinated. Our updated guidance recommends vaccinated people get tested upon exposure regardless of symptoms."
4) The FDA did the same
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The goal of this vaccine is not to prevent mild or low, moderate infectious disease,” said Dr. Paul A. Offit, who sits on the Food and Drug Administration’s outside advisory committee of vaccine experts. “The goal is to prevent hospitalization or death."
5) Also the WSJ reported a study that says Delta is less severe for everyone, which kinda cloaks the actual protections from the shots, because symptoms are lessened for everyone, so the vaxxed assume the shots are working
TL/DR Vaccinated people are catching the COVID in increasing numbers. Once the are exposed or exhibit symptoms, then they need a test and will have to quarantine just like the unvaxxed. Also, they need to wear masks again, just like the unvaxxed
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:01 am to BRIllini07
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The fact that Americans are fairly scientifically illiterate and have to consume data/information solely through the lens of the media is to blame
The only people that i know that try to sounds scientific on this topic (in real life that is) are people who cant change a flat tire. I dont trust a person like that for any knowledge
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:57 am to Nado Jenkins83
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The only people that i know that try to sounds scientific on this topic (in real life that is) are people who cant change a flat tire. I dont trust a person like that for any knowledge
Fair enough. I was 25 as a Freshman in college coming out of the Navy. It was mind blowing some of the stuff “smart” kids couldn’t do.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:25 am to slackster
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The OP has been rooting so hard for the vaccine to fail that he doesn’t give a shite if his post was accurate or not.
STFU
I’m vaccinated. I hope everyone gets vaccinated.
I’ve been rooting for people to leave everyone else alone and stop trying to scare them into getting vaccinated.
The talking points about eradicating the virus or stopping it from mutating are bullshite and that’s what I’m proving here. So if you want to scare people into getting vaccinated you better pick another topic.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:31 am to billjamin
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Ronadroppings
RonaGuano, because everyone is bat shite crazy about this virus.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:33 am to slackster
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You have to have your head so far up your own arse to believe this at this point. Whether you agree with it or not, your life is likely to become more inconvenient because of others very soon. Hell, most of this still going on is because of others.
How are you being inconvenienced?
Because politicians have conditioned you to think it’s ok for them to control your life because someone else got sick.
So you rationalize it by blaming the person that got sick
This wave is about to end. Then there will be another wave in the winter and so on. Eventually everyone will have had it and vaccines won’t matter anymore. You don’t care if people are vaccinated for the flu and those people get hospitalized every year too.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:02 am to dewster
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But what concerns me more than anything is the hospitals being overwhelmed. At least in my area that hasn’t been an issue yet but they are seeing an uptick among the unvaccinated.
You will get downvoted for this because you are really seeing it/stating it incorrectly. Outside of small rural hospitals, they won't be any overwhelming going on. The larger hospitals are fully capable of opening more and more COVID floors and units, they developed the process last year and can ebb and flow beds based on COVID census. The problem is they go from being a full service hospital to being a primarily COVID hospital. So the issue isn't really lack of COVID beds as they can adapt now, the issue is when they shut a lot of the other hospital services down.
It also hurts staffing especially nurses. Working COVID floors or units is a PITA. Lots of people complain about just wearing a mask at certain times, the nurses have to gown, glove, mask and shield on the way in and strip that off on the way out of each room every time. For many of them outside the rare droplet precation patient this was never part of their daily routine. This is driving nurses out of the profession or off bedside. Nursing is a profession that is in near constant shortage. My wife's patients go primarily to one of 2 floors and one unit and they lost some of their best nurses last year and they may lose more this year.
So it isn't being overwhelmed by COVID for most hospitals it is the knock on effects that are concerning.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:06 am to Duke
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Well that and your reporter can't be expert enough in all fields to properly report new studies either.
Generally agree, however properly applying language to claims should be within the realm of science reporting.
It’s one thing if the reporter doesn’t understand the spike protein behavior of viral component X, Y, and Z and screws up the translation. It’s entirely another if a reporter looks at a statement that reads “It’s possible that...” and then turns around and regurgitates that statement as “It’s LIKELY that....”
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:27 am to BRIllini07
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Generally agree, however properly applying language to claims should be within the realm of science reporting.
It absolutely should but gone are the days when a crusty old J school grad editor was looking over every writer's shoulder reminding them of things like you don't evacuate people you evacuate buildings (well you can evacuate people but that isn't what you mean). In a world of media proliferation with a lot of it being aggregation and regurgitation along with the fact there are no deadlines just a 24/7/365 race to be first it produces a LOT of content with imprecise language which results in misunderstanding.
That actually happens a lot here and this thread is a testament. OP copies a news article then when it becomes clear the news article was sloppy in its language OP never goes back and edits it because it runs counter to the point they were trying to make. It is like a front page above-the-fold story on Monday that only gets corrected on page 22 of section D on Thursday. Very few see the correction. The OP has well over 100 UVs and most people will go about their day thinking what they read was accurate and will regurgitate it here and in other places. Read far enough into the thread to see the error pointed out and the voting drops to nearly nothing, it is the same handful of regulars in tOT that read all the way to Section D on Thursday.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:35 am to WaWaWeeWa
Clown world.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:26 am to SlidellCajun
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Vaccinated people who have symptoms can spread it … duh
Here’s the part you left out- Vaccinated people overwhelmingly show no symptoms
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If you've been around someone who has COVID-19, you should get tested 3-5 days after your exposure, even if you don't have symptoms," the new guidance reads. "You should also wear a mask indoors in public for 14 days following exposure or until your test result is negative. You should isolate for 10 days if your test result is positive."
So is the CDC just recommending these guideline changes out of an abundance of caution? If you don’t spread COVID-19 as asymptomatic and most/large amount of vaccinated people are asymptomatic, why are they recommending vaccinated people get tested even if asymptomatic?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:27 am to lsuhunt555
Just as easily, yes. Just as likely, no.
The viral load for a vaccinated person is more likely to be lower than an unvaxxed person. The immune system of the vaccinated person is already prepared to kill/remove the virus at the time of infection. However, both people can and will carry and spread the virus just as easily because spreading a virus in general is easy.
The viral load for a vaccinated person is more likely to be lower than an unvaxxed person. The immune system of the vaccinated person is already prepared to kill/remove the virus at the time of infection. However, both people can and will carry and spread the virus just as easily because spreading a virus in general is easy.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:28 am to lsupride87
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No
Thread title is shite
Says who? The people that said the vaccinated woukd spread it? The people that said the vaccinated didnt need masks?
You fricking people, its like the soup of the day.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 9:51 am
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:29 am to lsupride87
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Thread title is shite
NO it's not. The vax does nothing. Sorry to all of you who've participated as guinea pigs. Keep us posted on how the rest of your life goes, medically.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 6:35 am
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:29 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:This is a false assumption. You can spread it if you’re asymptomatic. You’re just less likely to because the viral load is lower and you’ll carry the virus for a shorter amount of time.
If you don’t spread COVID-19 as asymptomatic
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:29 am to LSUZombie
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to a dumbass anti-vaxxer and get them extremely sick while the vaccinated person goes on with life.
But I thought asymptomatic vaccinated individuals can’t spread it. Is that no longer the case? How did they prove it in 21 days since it was July 8th that they recommended vaccinated asymptomatic people do not need to get tested.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:30 am to SlidellCajun
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Here’s the part you left out-
Vaccinated people overwhelmingly show no symptoms
Omg just like every unvaccinated person ever
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:30 am to TaderSalad
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Sorry to all of you who've participated as guinea pigs. Keep us posted on how the rest of your life goes, medically.
Boom
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:30 am to ell_13
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This is a false assumption. You can spread it if you’re asymptomatic. You’re just less likely to because the viral load is lower and you’ll carry the virus for a shorter amount of time.
This is what Slidellcajun was saying, not me.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:31 am to TaderSalad
quote:The vaccine does very little for the unvaccinated. It’s very helpful to people who get it to keep them from showing symptoms or keep them out of hospitals or from dying. That’s how vaccines have always worked. That’s how this one works.
The vax does nothing.
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