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re: Can you be Catholic without agreeing with the pope?

Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:11 pm to
You can still call yourself a Catholic, follow Catholic teachings, doctrines,etc.; but depending on how strongly and publicly you oppose the pope, the church might not see it that way.
Posted by LazloHollyfeld
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:13 pm to
How many modern Catholics actually and truly thought about and believe in the transubstantion of the Eucharist?
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:13 pm to
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pushed me away from religion
There was this man from Nazareth, born in Bethlehem that was pushed away by the most religious and devout of His time as well. He was a great teacher when he walked this earth and often admonished those who put religion above the faith and the relationship.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:14 pm to
I assume all of us. That's kind of a big one.
Posted by TigerSprings
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Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:14 pm to
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Catholics believe you have to pray to saints or something


WHAT!?!?!?!

You do not have to pray to Saints or Mary, but you would be better off if you did. Also to be clear, the Triune God has all the power, Mary and the Saints intercede for us, they are part of the Mystical Body of Christ. They are in the fight against evil with us. We should form relationships with them and the angels. God loves to use the people he is proud of to make changes in the world. Find a Saint that you relate to and talk to your guardian angel.
Posted by West Seattle Dude
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:15 pm to
I’m Catholic, and ironically it was watching Christian broadcasting with their emphasis on the Bible that got me to return to my faith after decades of not going to mass. One thing that the Baptists on Christian TV got me to do was take not communion, because I don’t believe in confessing my sins to man, but rather to God in my prayers.
Some of those in Christian broadcasting were very anti-Catholic, think Kenneth Copeland.

I told a few Catholic acquaintances that it was Catholic-hating fundamentalists that brought me back to my Catholic faith.




Posted by BumKnee
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:17 pm to
Nope. Welcome to the Protestant table.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:21 pm to
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You can still call yourself a Catholic, follow Catholic teachings, doctrines,etc.; but depending on how strongly and publicly you oppose the pope, the church might not see it that way.


This is why Bishop Strickland got demoted. He basically straight up called Pope Francis a heretic.

While Strickland is correct, you cannot openly and publicly cause this type discord in the Church. Other Bishops have been excommunicated for with good reason for trying to create schism. Schism will make you a Protestant.
Not believing in the Dogma's of the Church will just make you no longer Catholic.

Honestly, the Dogma's are pretty easy to follow to me.
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:22 pm to
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How many modern Catholics actually and truly thought about and believe in the transubstantion of the Eucharist?


Sadly like 1/2 or 60% I believe was the number.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:24 pm to
So they created their own and left it up to the individual to interpret
Posted by SwampGar
Texas
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:24 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:25 pm to
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Sadly like 1/2 or 60% I believe was the number.


This is why I like to talk to people about Eucharistic Miracles.

LINK
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:27 pm to
If this is about the same-sex couple blessing thing, I think this is a situation where what the Pope actually said has been misunderstood, and his teaching isn't out of line with Catholic doctrine. As the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has stated:
quote:

In his letter, the pope insisted marriage is an "exclusive, stable and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to conceiving children," which is why the church "avoids all kinds of rites or sacramentals that could contradict this conviction and imply that it is recognizing as a marriage something that is not."

[...]

A person who asks for God's blessing, the declaration said, "shows himself to be in need of God's saving presence in his life and one who asks for a blessing from the Church recognizes the latter as a sacrament of the salvation that God offers."

The church, it said, should be grateful when people ask for a blessing and should see it as a sign that they know they need God's help.

"When people ask for a blessing, an exhaustive moral analysis should not be placed as a precondition for conferring it. For, those seeking a blessing should not be required to have prior moral perfection," it said.

LINK

As an example, imagine that I, as a heterosexual man, am living with and having a sexual relationship with a woman who isn't my wife. If we both ask a priest for a blessing, the priest can bless me, her, or both of us at the same time, as we seek God's help in living righteously.

The priest can't bless us "as a couple" because what we're doing is sinful, and you can't bless sin. The same applies to two people of the same sex in a similar situation.

Now as to whether the Pope said what he said with the intention of being misunderstood, I'll leave that to others. I hope that isn't the case.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 3:33 pm
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:33 pm to
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So they created their own and left it up to the individual to interpret


No. They just started reading the Bible and going by the word of God was all.
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
2500 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:38 pm to
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No. They just started reading the Bible and going by the word of God was all.
Well, this leads to a major difference between the two branches: Can everything that a person needs to know about God, salvation, and how to live a Christian life be found in the Bible, or did the apostles also pass down authoritative teachings that weren't necessarily written down?

(2 Thessalonians 2:15 incoming)
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 3:41 pm
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:40 pm to
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wait he said that?


He (Francis) did not say that. It came from Vatican Council II, which is considered to be infallible teaching.

Muslims are saved simply by believing in the god of Abraham.

Here is the quote:

Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964
“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Lumen Gentium 16
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
32832 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:47 pm to
So they created their own and left it up to the individual to interpret
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
32832 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:50 pm to
As translated by men from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to the vernacular. Written by men though divinely inspired, but still fallible corporeal beings
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:52 pm to
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The men that get appointed to lead the church don't make the church. I am a Catholic and don't believe a lot of the shite they tell us. Plus the doctrines have changed throughout my life. Some I believe, some I don't. Cafeteria Catholic? I don't care. I'm Catholic and I'll never not be Catholic.


You sound offended that someone might label you as not being a true Catholic. Why do you care what label someone puts on you? What does "I'm Catholic" even mean? It sounds like you have your own definition, which is fine, but why get hung up on a label?

You're a human being who has a belief system that is unique to you. That is all.
Posted by Irish Knuckles
Nuwallins
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 4:04 pm to
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Catholic who disagrees with the pope and his doctrine


catholic doctrine and tradition isn't the property of the pope.

because of the church i attend and the peers i have within the church, i don't personally know many who agree with the pope on many things. the pope isn't Christ. the pope is merely the head bishop. he can also piss up rope for all i care.
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