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re: California’s $20 fast food minimum wage balloons menu prices

Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:27 pm to
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Why shouldn't that cost, the cost of the employee surviving to work another day, be borne by the employer
Is that a serious question?
Of course.

Do you prefer taxpayers subsidize the true cost of business?
Posted by olemissfan26
MS
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:28 pm to
This ends with people not eating out anymore.

I have some coworkers that eat out every meal. I don’t know how people are affording to waste all their income on shitty fast food and overpriced take out.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:29 pm to
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Do you prefer taxpayers subsidize the true cost of business?



Tax payer subsidize all kinds of things. At least subsidizing business provides jobs.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:29 pm to
Lol the same jerk offs that set the social safety net to incentivize this stupidity will fix it!
Posted by AlterDWI
Pattern Noticing, Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
3127 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:30 pm to
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Do you prefer taxpayers subsidize the true cost of business?


No, I prefer business owners setting wages in the labor market instead of politicians.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28893 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:32 pm to
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Because it will just be passed on to the consumer regardless. You liberals live in a fantasy land where businesses won't pass on costs to teh consumer.
Expenses are not "passed on" to the consumer 1:1. Prices are set to maximize profits. If the market will not bear a price increase of the full cost increase, which is typically how things work out, then the people who got raises come out ahead.
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My taxes will not go down if these loser workers get paid more, and I will have to pay more on top of it.
If your taxes do not go down, there should at least be more funds available for projects that you benefit from.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69951 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:33 pm to
What on earth are you talking about?

I am aware of zero economic literature/theory that posits the idea that welfare programs reduce employee wages.

In fact, standard labor economic theory assumes that welfare programs actually increase wages, because they increase the “reservation wage” of workers.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73969 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:33 pm to
How as a franchise owner with a 6 Percent profit margin survive?
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:37 pm to
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Expenses are not "passed on" to the consumer


Actual Business Owner here- Yes they are.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28893 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:38 pm to
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If society agrees that a full time worker deserves some sort of bare minimum standard of living, then society should collectively pay for that via welfare, EITC, universal basic income, etc.
Or, now bear with me, if we don't all agree, how about voluntarily paying via increased fast food (or whatever low-skill industry) prices?
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Why do you think employers should be mandated to pay more than the what the employee produces?
I do not think that employers should be mandated to pay more than the value provided. I think that if a business cannot survive while paying a human being enough to survive, that if the market does not place a high enough value on the tasks performed, then it's not a viable business model. Not all of them are.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6634 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:38 pm to
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call you a heartless poor hater




Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28893 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:38 pm to
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Because its completely arbitrary and not quantifiable. If Karen chooses to blow her money on accessories and vodka thats on her.
Such things are generally not included in cost of living calcs.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
2274 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:39 pm to
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Expenses are not "passed on" to the consumer 1:1




Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69951 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:39 pm to
I mean good lord, korkstand is admitting he slept through high school economic class during “tax incidence” lecture
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45300 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:40 pm to
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I think that if a business cannot survive while paying a human being enough to survive


Hey dawgfan, what exactly is that?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28893 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:40 pm to
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No, I prefer business owners setting wages in the labor market instead of politicians.
That's fine and dandy in a perfect world, but we don't live there.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28893 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:42 pm to
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Expenses are not "passed on" to the consumer
Actual Business Owner here- Yes they are.
How about quoting the full quote with qualifiers instead of being dishonest?
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Expenses are not "passed on" to the consumer 1:1. Prices are set to maximize profits.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69951 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:43 pm to
Korkstand, if you believe that the welfare state allows businesses to lower the pay of workers, why not abolish welfare? If your theory is correct, then we would see wages rise.

Why aren’t you advocating that?
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:44 pm to
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costs are already being passed on to consumers.



Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45300 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

Expenses are not "passed on" to the consumer
Actual Business Owner here- Yes they are.
How about quoting the full quote with qualifiers instead of being dishonest?


Oh my bad

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Expenses are not "passed on" to the consumer 1:1. Prices are set to maximize profits.


Actual Business Owner here- Yes they still are
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