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re: California to become first state to eliminate bail for suspects awaiting trial
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:06 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:06 pm to LNCHBOX
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Sounds safe and
Not the purpose of bail, technically. Bail is supposed to be an inducement to show up for your trial/hearings.
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probably will have no negative consequences.
I'm sure there will be plenty of no shows. And no bail bondsmen sending out bounty hunters to track scofflaws down.
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Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:06 pm to RLDSC FAN
So, California's going full-on catch and release. Cool.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
:facepalm:
I get what they’re going for but this has to be all kinds of stupid.
Guy arrested for nonpayment of child support I can understand.
Murder one? Not so much.
I get what they’re going for but this has to be all kinds of stupid.
Guy arrested for nonpayment of child support I can understand.
Murder one? Not so much.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
This was already in place
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:08 pm to teke184
Yall should try reading through the whole thread before commenting.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
The illegals with be on their way back to Mexico.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:12 pm to Fat and Happy
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There will be even less of a deterrent to commit very violent felonies. Murder and rape a bunch of folks and just get a court date and be right back out on the street to do it again. I get changing bail for some things but this is a really bad bad path to head down
The OP is terrible so it's hard to blame you for your completely incorrect response.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:15 pm to LSU316
Read Slacks post. It's risk assessment. I doubt people accused of domestic abuse will simply be released.
That would suck though for someone accused by a vengeful SO or a wife looking to get a leg up on the hubby on child custody in divorce cases by getting him locked up for a few months.
This will be good for many innocent people accused of non-violent charges, but will seriously screw over the ones accused of violent ones. I'm talking lost jobs, ruined careers, and people losing their homes because of inability to pay the house note.
That would suck though for someone accused by a vengeful SO or a wife looking to get a leg up on the hubby on child custody in divorce cases by getting him locked up for a few months.
This will be good for many innocent people accused of non-violent charges, but will seriously screw over the ones accused of violent ones. I'm talking lost jobs, ruined careers, and people losing their homes because of inability to pay the house note.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:15 pm to RLDSC FAN
The judge decides whether they are to remain in jail or not until trial.
Its to prevent poor people with non-violent crimes from having to sit in jail until trial.
Violent offenders will still be remanded until trial most likely. No judge wants to release some violent person and have them commit more violence and get the blame.
Its to prevent poor people with non-violent crimes from having to sit in jail until trial.
Violent offenders will still be remanded until trial most likely. No judge wants to release some violent person and have them commit more violence and get the blame.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:17 pm to Wolf
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Read Slacks post.
yeah, it'd be great if that info was in the OP.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:18 pm to TheCaterpillar
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In fact, in rare agreement, law enforcement groups, the ACLU and the NAACP are all opposed to this bill.
Found this from a dissenting piece in the Sacramento Bee. Not often those 3 agree on something.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:21 pm to slackster
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Found this from a dissenting piece in the Sacramento Bee. Not often those 3 agree on something.
For different reasons too, which is funny. Law enforcement likes that violent offenders can't make bail, but the ACLU feels like no one should be remanded without bail until proven guilty.
Vice versa, law enforcement hates that small time offenders will just be released without bail and the ACLU loves that.
(Obviously NAACP is on the ACLU side of this)
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:21 pm to RLDSC FAN
Is this for certain crimes or all crimes?
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:21 pm to slackster
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On the surface, I like the idea of financial status not determining whether you sit in jail or not.
I agree with this, and I don’t think it would be a bad idea to waive bail on nonviolent offenses with the stipulation that if you do not show up for court, a warrant goes out, and you will receive mandatory jail time in addition to being tried for your crime. Yes, I know, some people would just skip out, but if you want to play hide and seek for the rest of your life over some misdemeanor charge, then whatever.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:22 pm to CaptSpaulding
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I agree with this, and I don’t think it would be a bad idea to waive bail on nonviolent offenses with the stipulation that if you do not show up for court, a warrant goes out, and you will receive mandatory jail time in addition to being tried for your crime. Yes, I know, some people would just skip out, but if you want to play hide and seek for the rest of your life over some misdemeanor charge, then whatever.
Agreed.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:23 pm to upgrayedd
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Is this for certain crimes or all crimes?
Misdemeanors would likely be released quickly. Felonies, particularly violent ones, may end up in jail for the entire time awaiting trial.
They're eliminating the cash bail system and replacing it with a risk assessment system.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:23 pm to RLDSC FAN
BTW, this OP is terrible. Give more information.
It reads like California is going to immediately release murderers until their trial.
Its actually WORSE for violent offenders.
It reads like California is going to immediately release murderers until their trial.
Its actually WORSE for violent offenders.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:32 pm to TheCaterpillar
The OP either didn't fully read in to the story or is sitting there like this right now...
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:34 pm to slackster
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replacing it with a risk assessment system.
Exactly what we did
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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replacing it with a risk assessment system.
Exactly what we did
There are still plentiful ways to enrich the public/private sectors through a risk assessment.
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