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re: Brenden Dassey wins appeal, panel of judges orders he be released
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:He seems pretty much certain Dassey is guilty. So don't flatter yourself for his lack of logic; it seems to be unrelated to you.
Also, you said above Dassey was in jail and will stay there. Now he'll be freed? Am I really that good?
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:36 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
but it would be highly disturbing if 50% of people thought Dassey was guilty.
Why? He is guilty. They were together that night and disposed of the body together. If you believe Avery is guilty, than Dassey is guilty. They both admit to being together (their new versions of the truth). He is Avery's "alibi".
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:41 pm to buckeye_vol
"Dassey is likely guilty too."
"likely guilty"
"likely"
Reasonable doubt says frick you!
"likely guilty"
"likely"
Reasonable doubt says frick you!
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:45 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
He seems pretty much certain Dassey is guilty. So don't flatter yourself for his lack of logic; it seems to be unrelated to you.
I've been busting this dude's arse on this since the M/TV thread when the documentary came out. I earned this.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:45 pm to brmark70816
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If you believe Avery is guilty, than Dassey is guilty.
quote:What a great alibi.
He is Avery's "alibi".
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:46 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Regardless, he shows how flawed our justice system can be. Terrifying.
I've been busting this dude's arse on this since the M/TV thread when the documentary came out. I earned this.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
I've been busting this dude's arse on this since the M/TV thread when the documentary came out. I earned this.
Yeah that never happened. I have always held my own and it has always been you and 2-3 other guys backing you up, making snide condescending and offensive remarks. Calling me dumb, stupid and any number of other off base insults. It's cool. He's still in jail. He's not getting out anytime soon. Yet, you say I'm melting..
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:09 pm to brmark70816
quote:So a federal appeals court upholds a ruling that he should be released, and your conclusion is he's not getting out anytime soon? Unless you are defining soon as "before 90 days to decide to retry him," then it seems like soon is the most likely outcome.
He's not getting out anytime soon.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:13 pm to brmark70816
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Yeah that never happened.
Oh, but it did.
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I have always held my own and it has always been you and 2-3 other guys backing you up, making snide condescending and offensive remarks.
You have an odd definition of agreement.
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Calling me dumb, stupid and any number of other off base insults.
That's interesting. I certainly don't remember ever calling anyone dumb or stupid my entire time here. I doubt I slipped up with you. Feel free to point it out if I did, though.
quote:
Yet, you say I'm melting..
I do indeed.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:22 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Guilty or not? I don't know.
But I pretty well do know that you ain't supposed to interview a juvenile suspect without the presence of a parent, attorney, or interested party.
And they did per the documentary.
His confession should not have stood and I am certainly pro-law enforcement.
And I believe his uncle killed the lady and that the Wisconsin cops screwed up the case and possibly planted some evidence (keys maybe?) to enhance their case and they probably did not need to.
All in all, talk about an inbred looking tribe.
But I pretty well do know that you ain't supposed to interview a juvenile suspect without the presence of a parent, attorney, or interested party.
And they did per the documentary.
His confession should not have stood and I am certainly pro-law enforcement.
And I believe his uncle killed the lady and that the Wisconsin cops screwed up the case and possibly planted some evidence (keys maybe?) to enhance their case and they probably did not need to.
All in all, talk about an inbred looking tribe.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:06 pm to brmark70816
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There is a good chance they find a loop hole and get freed..
I don't know if they did it or not, but I love it when constitutional rights are referred to as "loopholes".
Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:20 am to buckeye_vol
Dassey didn't get released.. LINK /
Wisconsin objected to the ruling and will file for a review by full board, or appeal to Supreme Court. DOJ blocked his release on bail, pending a ruling. No telling how long it will take before a new hearing and then decision. That's if they don't have to do a new trial. State of Wisconsin is not letting it go.
Yep.
Wisconsin objected to the ruling and will file for a review by full board, or appeal to Supreme Court. DOJ blocked his release on bail, pending a ruling. No telling how long it will take before a new hearing and then decision. That's if they don't have to do a new trial. State of Wisconsin is not letting it go.
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So a federal appeals court upholds a ruling that he should be released, and your conclusion is he's not getting out anytime soon?
Yep.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:27 am to Jim Smith
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Guy confessed to murder to watch wrestling. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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cognitive problems
Yeah, that pretty much means he's slow. The cops pinned a murder on a special ed kid.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 7:28 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:05 am to crispyUGA
He didn't even use any of the right details of the murder until the detectives fed him information about how she was killed.
It was sickening to watch.
It was sickening to watch.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:26 am to brmark70816
quote:
Dassey didn't get released
But but buckeye vol said...
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:27 am to brmark70816
quote:
Wisconsin objected to the ruling and will file for a review by full board, or appeal to Supreme Court. DOJ blocked his release on bail, pending a ruling. No telling how long it will take before a new hearing and then decision. That's if they don't have to do a new trial. State of Wisconsin is not letting it go.
My guess is the state will appeal the hell out of the decision but eventually drop charges if upheld. If his confession isn't part of a new trial, they've got no case. To other posters, this decision is not a determination of guilt or innocence; it's purely whether or not the confession should be admissible. For the record, I'm of the opinion Dassey helped dispose of the body at most, and that his coerced confession should be deemed inadmissible.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:30 am to brmark70816
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You totally just misread and twisted the ruling. Also, that article contradicted itself. It was a 2-1 ruling, the State can appeal or retry and Dassey cannot be released until the State makes it's choice. This was the same reaction after that other judge made his decision almost a year ago. But Dassey is still where he belongs, in jail and he will stay there. It doesn't matter how much money his defenders keep sending to his legal team, it's not going to change the facts. The guy is a murderer..
I mean he described the murder in such great detail....and when they went there they couldn't find a single drop of blood. A damn near mentally challenged kid and his dumbass uncle cleaned up every single drop of blood?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:17 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
The State isn't dropping the charges. They will retry if forced and they have a very good case. His best bet would be a plea deal, but he is a liar and his word means nothing anymore. So that is probably out. Almost every legal expert I've seen has said this will be reversed by the full panel. There is little support for the judge's decision. The desenting judge nailed them for it.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:19 pm to tylercsbn9
quote:they didn't edit the cops telling Dassey where to say he hit her after he said the wrong body parts. He has the mental capacity of a 6 year old.
People need to actually read up on the case. Dassey is likely guilty too.
quote:lmao the case against Dassey is weak as frick.
The State isn't dropping the charges. They will retry if forced and they have a very good case. His best bet would be a plea deal, but he is a liar and his word means nothing anymore. So that is probably out. Almost every legal expert I've seen has said this will be reversed by the full panel. There is little support for the judge's decision. The desenting judge nailed them for it.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:31 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Dassey and Avery have the same IQ. Dassey is not retarded or mentally disabled. If so, he would have never been allowed to stand trial. That is just fact and a blatant lie by his apologists.
The case against Dassey is very strong. He confessed to his cousin (sworn statement), he was at the scene of the crime, he cleaned at the scene of the crime, he helped destroy evidence, he lied and mislead the police (conflicting versions and alibis). All this can be proven and supported by witnesses and investigators. Dassey will never take the stand. Plus, he confessed over the phone to his mother and that can't be thrown out. His lawyers can't blame cops for planting evidence in the new trial. What is going to be his defense? He would have to call Avery to give him an alibi. How do you think that will look?
The case against Dassey is very strong. He confessed to his cousin (sworn statement), he was at the scene of the crime, he cleaned at the scene of the crime, he helped destroy evidence, he lied and mislead the police (conflicting versions and alibis). All this can be proven and supported by witnesses and investigators. Dassey will never take the stand. Plus, he confessed over the phone to his mother and that can't be thrown out. His lawyers can't blame cops for planting evidence in the new trial. What is going to be his defense? He would have to call Avery to give him an alibi. How do you think that will look?
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