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re: Brandons justice department trying to halt the death penalty.. Thoughts?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:49 pm to ducktale
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:49 pm to ducktale
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Just a middleman. Jury decides death or not.
Negative, as can be seen in this very case. The Court does not have to accept the jury's recommendation
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 1:50 pm
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:49 pm to Indefatigable
The death penalty should be reserved, on a federal level, for treason and heinous crimes. It's like the Supreme Court once said, you can't define it but you know what it is when you see it.
On a state level, the death penalty is mostly for the comfort of the victim's family. It is not a effective deterrent as murder rates are going up. Next look at the cost to the state of defending the lawsuits filed by the guilty. I would be interested in seeing the cost of keeping the guilty locked up.
Morally, ask your self about all of these exonerations after being found guilty due to DNA evidence or prosecutor misconduct.
The most effective is when the prosecution takes the death penalty off the table in return for guilty plea and a waiver of all rights to file appeals.
Indeed it is difficult to judge the worth of the death penalty except for treason and heinous crimes.
On a state level, the death penalty is mostly for the comfort of the victim's family. It is not a effective deterrent as murder rates are going up. Next look at the cost to the state of defending the lawsuits filed by the guilty. I would be interested in seeing the cost of keeping the guilty locked up.
Morally, ask your self about all of these exonerations after being found guilty due to DNA evidence or prosecutor misconduct.
The most effective is when the prosecution takes the death penalty off the table in return for guilty plea and a waiver of all rights to file appeals.
Indeed it is difficult to judge the worth of the death penalty except for treason and heinous crimes.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:50 pm to Jones
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You voted for Biden lol
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:51 pm to Jcorye1
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The state should not be able to kill its own citizens in non-emergency response situations.
You say this without rationale as if it's inherently obvious.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:51 pm to rondo
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Political talk has a board
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:52 pm to MireCat49
im conflicted on the death penalty. on one hand, every bit of research has shown that it has no true effect on discouraging violent crime and frankly, even in our current setup we still have executed people in which serious doubt has come up on their guilt
on the other, i cant even begin to imagine what it would be like to be a family member of the victim and i can see how it could bring them closure and feeling of justice
i lean on abolishing it but i understand why its supported and am not all too bothered by it
on the other, i cant even begin to imagine what it would be like to be a family member of the victim and i can see how it could bring them closure and feeling of justice
i lean on abolishing it but i understand why its supported and am not all too bothered by it
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:53 pm to MireCat49
Honestly, how many 1st world countries still have the death penalty? 4, United States, Japan, Taiwan, and Singapore.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:53 pm to MireCat49
OP is a fricking idiot..
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:56 pm to Elleshoe
Can’t even properly quote what was in the article, smh
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:58 pm to MireCat49
As someone who is generally against big government, I don't think government gets much bigger than it does when it can take the life of one of it's citizens.
I don't like it. I don't like how much it costs, I don't like how long it takes, I don't like that we've executed innocent people.
I'd rather just do away with it all together.
I don't like it. I don't like how much it costs, I don't like how long it takes, I don't like that we've executed innocent people.
I'd rather just do away with it all together.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:59 pm to MireCat49
The same people who claim they don't trust the government to get anything right, are also perfectly willing to allow the government to put people to death.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:01 pm to MireCat49
i dont trust the government, so i sure as frick dont trust them to kill their own citizens. plus its cheaper not to kill them.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:01 pm to lsu777
Mixed feelings. I think in some specific cases, I'm ok with it.
But it would be rare.
But it would be rare.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:02 pm to heatom2
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The same people who claim they don't trust the government to get anything right, is also perfectly willing to allow the government to put people to death.
insane isnt it? go on the poliboard and everyone is screaming about corruption and incompetence in government yet they get pissed if you say the death penalty should be done away with.
just more hypocrisy from non-principled individuals.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:04 pm to lsu777
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plus its cheaper not to kill them.
It's cheaper to house, feed and provide medical for 30 years than it is to inject them and kill them?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:04 pm to Breauxsif
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Can’t even properly quote what was in the article, smh
so federal execution and the death penalty are 2 different things?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:06 pm to lsu777
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yet they get pissed if you say the death penalty should be done away with.
In some cases, it should never be off the table. I'm just as fine with vigilante justice in those cases.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:07 pm to Purplehaze
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The death penalty should be reserved, on a federal level, for treason and heinous crimes
treason like, lets say
you work in the CIA and find out they are not following the constitution and breaking the law, you decide to go to the press about it after your superiors rebuff your concerns. Government says....we may have been breaking the law but it was a secret and you told our secret....so that is treason?
So government is able to do whatever it wants becuase it can just say its classified so if anyone tells.....well thats treason and you will be put to death? hell of deterent to whistle blow on the government breaking the law.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:07 pm to TDTOM
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house, feed and provide medical for 30 years
you're leaving out the expensive part
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:08 pm to TDTOM
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It's cheaper to house, feed and provide medical for 30 years than it is to inject them and kill them?
yes because of all the rules involved with certain representation, appeals etc. but yes its cheaper.
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