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re: Boris Johnson to announce UK lockdown
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:38 pm to SloaneRanger
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:38 pm to SloaneRanger
quote:Sweden?
The question is how they are doing now. And without looking I can assure you that their result is drastically better than us and the rest of Europe.
They're middle of the pack in Europe, doing worse than most countries in the same population range as them.
I'm not sure why people prop up Sweden in either direction. They haven't done it better than everyone else based on deaths per 1M, and they haven't done it worse than everyone else by not locking down. They've just been in the middle, not good/not bad. Now you can certainly argue not locking down and remaining middle ground is the way to go to save your economy, I'd agree. But they haven't outperformed all these other countries like many seem to insinuate.
Of the 15 countries with at least 10mil population, they have the 5th highest deaths per 1million
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 5:39 pm
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:40 pm to SloaneRanger
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:41 pm to SloaneRanger
quote:Hasn't changed since August, with 2 or 3 day.
How are they doing on deaths per day since you have all the figures handy? The question was deaths.
Will obviously have a big spike in the coming weeks.
The case spike just started, it's disingenuous to only look at death count right now to try and show the spike hasn't bothered them.
The conversation was based around spikes right now. I get that was your direct question, but again, the death counts are not relevant to the topic at hand, the current spikes.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:41 pm to shel311
quote:
Sweden?
They're middle of the pack in Europe, doing worse than most countries in the same population range as them.
I'm not sure why people prop up Sweden in either direction. They haven't done it better than everyone else based on deaths per 1M, and they haven't done it worse than everyone else by not locking down. They've just been in the middle, not good/not bad. Now you can certainly argue not locking down and remaining middle ground is the way to go to save your economy, I'd agree. But they haven't outperformed all these other countries like many seem to insinuate.
Of the 15 countries with at least 10mil population, they have the 5th highest deaths per 1million
Dude, Sweden had zero Covid deaths on 10/29. One on 10/28. One on 10/27. In the whole freaking country. Are you really trying to tell us they are in the "middle of the pack" in Europe? I was asking how they are doing now.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:43 pm to shel311
quote:
I'm sure a death spike will follow but much like other countries, not nearly as many deaths as we were seeing a few months ago.
This is something that needs to be looked at more.
We use the total amount of deaths to push how deadly this virus is.
Looking at the virus with the recent number wouldn't have garnered such a response.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:43 pm to SloaneRanger
quote:In terms of deaths per million, yes, they are middle of the pack.
Dude, Sweden had zero Covid deaths on 10/29. One on 10/28. One on 10/27. In the whole freaking country. Are you really trying to tell us they are in the "middle of the pack" in Europe? I was asking how they are doing now.
I don't know if you just want to argue against facts, but have at it. Deaths per million, they are not a Europe leader. They just aren't.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:44 pm to NIH
quote:
Lockdowns do nothing but delay the inevitable.
You mean they limit the number of people who catch and who die from coronavirus until there is a safe vaccine?
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:44 pm to NIH
quote:I believe that’s their intent.
Lockdowns do nothing but delay the inevitable.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:44 pm to SloaneRanger
quote:
I was asking how they are doing now.
When it comes to cases they have very recently seen a spike.
I'm not sure you want to ignore that a case spike is a leading indicator.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:44 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Yea, has the treatment for COVID really changed that much? That's an honest question, I have no idea.
This is something that needs to be looked at more.
We use the total amount of deaths to push how deadly this virus is.
Looking at the virus with the recent number wouldn't have garnered such a response.
But just looking at the US, our case rate has been higher than our original spike, but deaths half as much. WHy is that?
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:45 pm to shel311
quote:
Yea, has the treatment for COVID really changed that much? That's an honest question, I have no idea.
I believe it has.
quote:
But just looking at the US, our case rate has been higher than our original spike, but deaths half as much. WHy is that?
Our testing is much higher as well, we are finding more cases that were likely there on the 1st wave, but never detected.
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:45 pm to shel311
quote:
WHy is that?
All the old people already croaked
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:58 pm to shel311
Yeah. Sweden has 10M people. They have had 5900 deaths so thats what? Like 1 in every.. over 1600 people?
US has 300M with 229k deaths which is about 1 and 1400 people?
Not sure what these numbers prove, but its just information to help support the correct arguments.
US has 300M with 229k deaths which is about 1 and 1400 people?
Not sure what these numbers prove, but its just information to help support the correct arguments.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:59 pm to OweO
quote:
Sweden covid cases.
DGAF about "cases." Show us the chart for deaths. That was the question.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 6:02 pm to SloaneRanger
Well that information can be found in the link I provided..
Posted on 10/30/20 at 6:12 pm to SloaneRanger
quote:
How is Sweden doing in terms of average Covid deaths per day? Asking for a friend.
Sweden is implementing local lockdowns
As of Oct. 18, Sweden’s per-capita death rate—58.6 per 100,000 people—was among the highest in the world. And from early September to early October, average daily cases nationwide rose by 173%, with particularly dramatic increases in cities such as Stockholm and Uppsala.
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 10/30/20 at 7:09 pm to shel311
quote:
Yea, has the treatment for COVID really changed that much? That's an honest question, I have no idea.
They have stopped using ventilators nearly as much. In NY and NJ in particular they were putting thousands of people on them in March-May.
The case numbers we have here now are just as bad as they were in the spring but the death toll is 1/10 of what it was back then.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 7:22 pm to SloaneRanger
quote:
Sweden
1 or 2/day deaths.
They usually dump deaths on a single day or two in a week.
Not sure if they upped testing or not.
Most of their deaths were in LTC facilities. Their chief epidemiologist admitted they fricked up on that end.
Too bad the rest of Europe didn't follow their lead.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 7:23 pm to mattfromnj
quote:
case numbers just as bad as back then
Means little.
They weren't testing every Tom Dick and Harry then.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 7:24 pm to mattfromnj
Is every country counting deaths the same way?
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