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Boeing sells first 737 max planes since deadly crashes with showstopper deal of 200 jets
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:34 pm
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The Paris Air Show is typically an Airbus stronghold where the European plane maker unveils its biggest orders, relegating Boeing Co. to bit player.
This year was shaping up to be particularly difficult for the U.S. manufacturer, which is reeling from two deadly crashes that grounded its all-important 737 Max jet. Boeing Chief Executive Dennis Muilenburg came to the event with a focus on “humility and learning” rather than chasing deals.
That was until the second day, when Boeing pulled off a stunning turnaround with the help of one of the world’s most respected airlines. British Airways owner International Airlines Group signed a letter of intent for 200 of the single-aisle Max planes — a commitment valued at $24 billion that gives Boeing the opportunity to turn around the negative narrative surrounding its biggest source of profit.
Boeing stock jumped 5.4% on Tuesday.
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Boeing couldn’t have hoped for a stronger endorsement to win back trust from wavering customers and a jittery public. IAG Chief Executive Willie Walsh — himself a former 737 pilot — personally vouched for the Max, saying that he’d board one himself if he could and that he had been on a simulator to run through Boeing’s proposed changes.
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IAG’s Walsh, who is Irish and wears a buzz-cut hairstyle, has a reputation as a no-nonsense corporate leader. He said he gained confidence in the Max during sessions on the flight simulator. Those included a version with a software update Boeing is preparing for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System — the system implicated in the crashes.
“It was very helpful to see it in operation and understand the changes Boeing were proposing,” Walsh said.
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“I wouldn’t ask anybody to do something I wouldn’t do myself,” Walsh, who flew 737 jets for about 18 years, told reporters at the Paris Air Show. “If you ask me, I would get on board a Max tomorrow.”
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Although Boeing drew a blank on the air show’s opening day (and watched Airbus pull in $13 billion in deals), Tuesday began more upbeat for Boeing. The Chicago company landed an order for 20 787 Dreamliners from Korean Air Lines. Then came the IAG deal — the first commercial endorsement for the Max since the model was grounded.
Negotiations came down to the wire, and it wasn’t clear until Tuesday afternoon that Boeing would clinch the deal, according to a person with knowledge of the matter. Airbus was blindsided, another person said. After Walsh penned a contract with Boeing commercial airplanes chief Kevin McAllister, Boeing staffers high-fived one another and hugged. McAllister said he was “truly honored and humbled” by Walsh’s endorsement.
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:37 pm to Sentrius
Wow. That is great news.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:39 pm to Sentrius
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“It was very helpful to see it in operation and understand the changes Boeing were proposing,” Walsh said.
Not making it crash would be a great proposition.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:40 pm to Chicken
I'm really hoping that Boeing can get the 797 launched soon. Hopefully before the year is out.
I know they're still debating the business case for it and how the certification process will go after the MAX crisis but Delta and United really wants it and Airbus is about to eat their lunch with the A321XLR if they don't get off their asses as they announced a hell of a lot of orders for it yesterday at the air show.
I know they're still debating the business case for it and how the certification process will go after the MAX crisis but Delta and United really wants it and Airbus is about to eat their lunch with the A321XLR if they don't get off their asses as they announced a hell of a lot of orders for it yesterday at the air show.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:49 pm to Marco Esquandolas
Also, IAG owns British Airways so we could be seeing more of this.....
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:53 pm to Sentrius
Fix the MAX issues and rebrand it but keep pushing forward on the 777X delays and 797 launch.
Companies will never recover if they hide behind their faults.
The 797 could be a huge rebound for them.
Companies will never recover if they hide behind their faults.
The 797 could be a huge rebound for them.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:54 pm to Sentrius
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After Walsh penned a contract with Boeing commercial airplanes chief Kevin McAllister,
You’re a disease
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:55 pm to Sentrius
Delta and United all know that the XLR doesn’t fit their needs. They want a true 757/767 replacement. They will wait out Boeing’s decision.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:55 pm to Sentrius
That’s a pretty amazing turnaround.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:56 pm to Sentrius
Does anyone think this deal will fly with the regulatory agencies?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:57 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Who is the CEO of IAG?
Willie Walsh. He flew 737s himself for nearly two decades.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:58 pm to jcaz
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Fix the MAX issues and rebrand it
He was right.....
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:05 pm to tigerpimpbot
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That’s a pretty amazing turnaround.
This was never going to be a long term issue for Boeing, press coverage be damned.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:13 pm to slackster
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This was never going to be a long term issue for Boeing, press coverage be damned.
They did frick up a bit though in the several days after the second crash insisting that it was safe to fly and there was no need for a suspension. The Boeing CEO said he came to the Paris airshow with a focus on "humility and learning", it would've been nice to see that from the get go after the second crash.
Not only that, the FAA's relationship with Boeing was a little bit too close to not ground it.
It took a clear and explicit order from POTUS himself overruling the FAA to put the MAX on the ground and keep it there.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:19 pm to slackster
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This was never going to be a long term issue for Boeing, press coverage be damned.
The 737 Max is statistically the most dangerous airplane ever made in the modern era and is currently grounded by every aviation regulatory agency in the world because two different planes flew themselves straight into the ground just 6 months apart from each other. The grounding is lasting much longer than suspected and the silence is deafening re: a potential fix as it becomes clearer that the entire project was a mistake from the start.
If the errors that crashed those two planes were incidental boo-boo’s that somehow slipped notice, then yes you’re right: no one will remember all this 2 years from now. If - however - those problems were a symptom of a deeper issue then Boeing is in deep shite.
Boeing absolutely cannot afford any deadly mishaps any time soon with the 777x, the Mad (once ungrounded), and especially the 737 NG if it has to do with manual trim.
That said, Boeing - as one of our major defense and aerospace contractors in addition to our largest exporter - is truly too big to fail. They’ll never be allowed to go under.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:38 pm to Cold Drink
Also - this just looks like an LOI with no financial commitment and no orders until 2023. I’m sure the contract has provisions allowing IAG to walk if the Max can’t get back in (or remain in) the air.
Boeing needed this so bad; I can only imagine the deal IAH got on those planes. Essentially a pretty low-risk gamble on their part:
Either 1) the Max is fixed and IAG got a steal on a bunch of state of the art planes, or 2) the Max is fricked in which case that will surely be apparent before the first delieveries in 2023 and the only cost to IAG was some misplaced words of confidence in Boeing back in 2019
Boeing needed this so bad; I can only imagine the deal IAH got on those planes. Essentially a pretty low-risk gamble on their part:
Either 1) the Max is fixed and IAG got a steal on a bunch of state of the art planes, or 2) the Max is fricked in which case that will surely be apparent before the first delieveries in 2023 and the only cost to IAG was some misplaced words of confidence in Boeing back in 2019
Posted on 6/19/19 at 5:43 am to Cold Drink
The first crash was all Boeings fault. They failed to properly train and inform pilots about mcas. The second crash was on the pilot in my view.
After the first crash, the mcas issue was understood and how to recognize and over ride the system was public knowledge.
As a 737 Max pilot, how in the hell the pilots of the second plane did not understand what was happening and how to correct it is squarely on their shoulders.
Boeing makes a lot of product that fits a particular need. They were never going to fail. They got this Max order because the Max fits IAG's needs better than the Airbus product offerings.
Yes they probably got a sweet deal but upfront purchase cost is not the biggest concern to airlines. The long term cost and fleet utilization is much more important.
After the first crash, the mcas issue was understood and how to recognize and over ride the system was public knowledge.
As a 737 Max pilot, how in the hell the pilots of the second plane did not understand what was happening and how to correct it is squarely on their shoulders.
Boeing makes a lot of product that fits a particular need. They were never going to fail. They got this Max order because the Max fits IAG's needs better than the Airbus product offerings.
Yes they probably got a sweet deal but upfront purchase cost is not the biggest concern to airlines. The long term cost and fleet utilization is much more important.
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