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re: Boeing 737 Crashes in China. 132 on board
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:04 am to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:04 am to Tigeralum2008
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Worst approaches for me were Edinburgh, Scotland Salt Lake City
I had such a bad experience flying into Pitkin County one time I swore I would never fly again.
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:06 am to Tyga Woods
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I swore I would never fly again.
I say that about once a month, always get talked into doing it again
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:07 am to Bluefin
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If a piece of the plane fell off as they began descent, would the stress of the crash cause the wings/tail/etc. to break apart?
That’ll happen due to the aerodynamic loads of the rapid descent. Both engines were sheared off of AA587 when it crashed pretty much straight down in Queens in 2001 after the pilot ripped the vertical stabilizer off of it.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:07 am to 777Tiger
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777Tiger
Any scary moments or close calls you’d like to share??
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:07 am to Bluefin
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If a piece of the plane fell off as they began descent, would the stress of the crash cause the wings/tail/etc. to break apart?
My Guess: the aircraft was traveling so fast downward that the wings tore off
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 9:08 am
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:08 am to Bluefin
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If a piece of the plane fell off as they began descent, would the stress of the crash cause the wings/tail/etc. to break apart?
If a piece fell off it def affects decent...it would be abnormal.
If a piece of the plane falls off and then later it hits the ground at that trajectory and speed...nothing really matters.
Usually in that situation only the landing gear survives as an obvious aircraft part...some engine blades will be identifiable.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 9:09 am
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:08 am to The Boat
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The jackscrew isn’t going to shear off a 737 in the same way.
If it's true they were starting their descent, in a few years we will learn it was something to do with the flaps failing or getting stuck and the pilots overcorrected it
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:08 am to cajunangelle
quote:frick off
cajunangelle
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:10 am to Tyga Woods
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Any scary moments or close calls you’d like to share??
I've had a pretty blessed career, that's rapidly approaching the end, I've only had to declare an emergency with the airline four times in nearly 38 years and almost 30,000 hours of flying
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:10 am to LSUFanHouston
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I hope something happened at 30K feet that instantly killed all on board, so they did not have to witness that free fall.
I thought that at this type of rapid descent most people pass out well before the crash?
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:11 am to The Boat
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That’ll happen due to the aerodynamic loads of the rapid descent. Both engines were sheared off of AA587 when it crashed pretty much straight down in Queens in 2001 after the pilot ripped the vertical stabilizer off of it.
Pilot had a history of heavy rudder inputs when encountering wake turbulence. Apparently AA's pilot training program was to blame when they were training pilots in a simutalor on a highly unlikely event.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:11 am to stout
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If it's true they were starting their descent, in a few years we will learn it was something to do with the flaps failing or getting stuck and the pilots overcorrected it
It could be...there'd have to be a series of failures for it, but yeah, I could see that.
Muslim pilots have a tendency to EnShallah (God's Will) after a couple things go wrong...the aircrew could've taken the same approach here.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:14 am to IceTiger
The thing I take away from the past 4 or 5 years is to only fly Airbus if you are traveling in Asia.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:14 am to Tigeralum2008
AA didn’t realize you could rip the vertical stabilizer off. Small inputs went a long way. The pilot was smashing the pedals back and forth because they were in some 747 wake turbulence. A major failure by AA only 2 months after 9/11. Amazingly the last wide body major carrier crash in the US 21 years ago. There’s been smaller regional airline crashes but none since 2009.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:15 am to Tigeralum2008
I guess that begs the question that if a wing or vertical stabilizer is found miles from the crash intact (or partially intact), does that maybe help investigators piece together what happened?
Based on the crash site photos, there's not much left to glean.
Based on the crash site photos, there's not much left to glean.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:15 am to Tigeralum2008
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Pilot had a history of heavy rudder inputs when encountering wake turbulence. Apparently AA's pilot training program was to blame when they were training pilots in a simutalor on a highly unlikely event.
there's a lot to that story and I've seen just about every word every written on it, DFDR, digital re-creation, etc., really the only reason there are rudders on transports are for takeoff, landing, and engine outs
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:17 am to 777Tiger
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I've only had to declare an emergency with the airline four times
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:17 am to Bluefin
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guess that begs the question that if a wing or vertical stabilizer is found miles from the crash intact (or partially intact), does that maybe help investigators piece together what happened?
Yes, absolutely.
But the majority of the info comes from the black box and air control comms
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:18 am to stout
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If it's true they were starting their descent, in a few years we will learn it was something to do with the flaps failing or getting stuck and the pilots overcorrected it
If they are adding flaps at that altitude and speed, then it would be the CAUSE of the accident.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:20 am to The Boat
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That Alaska flight was an MD-83 with a T tail. The jackscrew isn’t going to shear off a 737 in the same way
Interesting, you are correct.
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