re: Black Man's Unfortunate Interaction With Cincinnati Police While Getting Coffee

Agree with all that.

And really, start filming the guy when you're holding?

No doubt, a lot of the police disrespect we've seen has been brought upon themselves.

I'm all for body cameras and dash cameras. 75% of the time they are probably going to help the cop. Plenty of other times, they are going to show the cop being an a-hole.

Ultimately, this evidence should get rid of the knuckleheads. In theory, at least.

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How come when you get pulled over the cops feel the need to ask you where you're going? Your moms house, frick you. It's stupid the way they conduct themselves.

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Not to mention: all it takes is one bad experience with a cop to have a completely different view than you had before. I'm the most lilly-white motherfricker ever and I've been yanked from my car by a JPSO deputy who said I was tailgating him on I-10. I've never been that scared in my entire life.

So I completely understand how multiple stops for petty bullshite - or following me on a bike - would leave a person pretty bitter. It's easy for me to advise someone to "be cool" in that situation but this could be a weekly occurrence for that guy. Still shouldn't have had weed on him acting indignant though.

I've never even been pulled over before. It's nice being a white male driving a decent vehicle.

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While I agree with a lot of what you are saying, you shouldn't be required to show respect to a police officer or else you will have problems. They are just regular people, they don't deserve anything just because they were gifted a badge and gun. I got no problem interacting with police but if one is following me around and eyeballing me or waiting for me to mess up, frick that guy.

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That's all fine and good but when a cop stops you, it's not up to your personal discretion in that moment to decide if his stopping you is justified or not. Sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't, but it's pretty well established that criminals are going to lie and play innocent every chance they get, so an officer can't allow everyone they stop to arbitrarily disobey their commands because they claim innocence or take issue with the stop. And you don't get to decide that you are going to refuse his demands and then go reaching in your pockets against his instruction not to without very predictable repercussions.

I've been stopped before for no good reason and I was as pissed about it as anyone else. You will always have some police officers that abuse their power. That's life. Cry about it theoretically all you want but it is inevitable. What I didn't do was decide that I didn't like them stopping me and get combative with them. Because that would be stupid and they would then be justified in taking harsh measures with me for their own precaution.

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It's crazy to me to think that if he would have been cool, he would have walked. frick that, he shouldn't be required to be cool. The cop was looking for someone to jam up and he found one. That shouldn't be a police officers job. Why on earth would anyone trust police when they are actively looking to screw with people?

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I didn't suggest he would have walked. Since he had weed he might not have. But he certainly created the physical nature of the interaction. And whether you trust police or not is irrelevant. The point is, if you take the approach this guy did then the cop is reasonably justified in using force in the encounter. It's just common sense but if you want to say frick it I don't have to comply because I don't agree with their probable cause, then don't act surprised and play victim when the encounter turns physical. You are now responsible for that aspect of the encounter.

ETA: Meant to reply to Barf.

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hey stop to arbitrarily

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The cops don't get to arbitrarily stop people.

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The cops don't get to arbitrarily stop people.

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Ok? And?

I was referring to those being stopped arbitrarily deciding the stop is unwarranted and that they are therefore justified in noncompliance, not about cops being allowed to arbitrarily stop people.

I don't deny the Officer's actions may be excessive, but this kid was looking for an altercation. He was trying to instigate this, and he succeeded. Even dumber is the fact that he instigated the cop's reaction while having drugs on him. Play stupid games...

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Yes but in this instance the cop started it. The police should be and have to be held to a higher standard. They also need to be held accountable for their actions. This should be true on up the food chain as well.

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It's the cop's job to "start it" if he has probable cause. You don't know if he did or didn't. None of us do. And of course probable cause can often be a very grey area that is discretionary to begin with. The point is, you don't get to decide on the spot that the stop is unjustified and therefore warranting noncompliance.

Based on everything we do know, the pedestrian absolutely handled the situation incorrectly and directly led to the escalation. Lots of people get stopped, rightly or wrongly, and the result is nonviolent.

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It's the cop's job to "start it" if he has probable cause.

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That's ridiculous. I hope a cop never shakes you down and treats you like shite.

There is this huge conformation bias when it comes to police. People think cops are owed some kind of respect because they have a noble job or because they think it is dangerous. You know what police are NOT required to do? Protect your dumb arse. If you're getting your arse kicked they don't have to do shite to help you. Laws are written into place specifically to exempt police from certain things while they are off duty. Think about that for a minute.

So we give this cop a pass because he was harassing some guy who didn't follow his orders? This isn't a police state, they shouldn't be allowed to talk to people like that and then bitch and moan because nobody respects them.