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re: Bill Ackman: Government has 24 hours to fix Silicon Valley Bank debacle
Posted on 3/12/23 at 6:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/12/23 at 6:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Stop bailing out investors, depositors and banks.
One of these 3 is not like the other. Government shouldn't be bailing out investors or banks, but depositors are a different story. For the most part, we don't assume the risk of our regional bank failing if we have all of or most of a company's money deposited with them. Let this hit a little closer to home and imagine if instead of SVB, that this was Regions Bank and mid sized companies all over the Southeast didn't know if they could make payroll next week due to no fault of their own.
In modern capitalism, a basic function of government is to ensure the stability of the currency and places to store that currency. If the American public and businesses can't trust that their cash is safe in a bank, the entire system doesn't work.
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 3/12/23 at 6:31 pm to DeCat ODahouse
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And yet they were. Literally anything above 250k in a bank is a speculative trade
What? So would you suggest that companies with hundreds of millions in cash should spread that money among thousands of banks? Imagine being the accountant trying to do bi-weekly payroll out of thousands of bank accounts.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 6:38 pm to baldona
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Sure they will survive, but it’s going to cause issues.
How is the failure of Roku going to impact any consumers to an extent greater than being out of $50 for a player? There are plenty of other providers. So allow them to fail or let them survive on their own merit not from a bailout.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 6:45 pm to Street Hawk
Bill’s wrong. There should be no precedent or expectation that main street bails out the greedy fricks on Sand Hill Road.
If PNC or some other bank wants to buy what’s left of SVB or parts of it then great. If not, then the FDIC insurers depositors get their cash to take elsewhere. Everyone else goes into limbo until a buyer is found for SVB’s assets. That may take a while.
Lessons need to be learned the hard way sometimes. This is one of those times.
If PNC or some other bank wants to buy what’s left of SVB or parts of it then great. If not, then the FDIC insurers depositors get their cash to take elsewhere. Everyone else goes into limbo until a buyer is found for SVB’s assets. That may take a while.
Lessons need to be learned the hard way sometimes. This is one of those times.
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 3/12/23 at 6:46 pm to Street Hawk
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Startup Extinction Event -
A bunch of green energy/diversity startups going under would be a net positive for our nation and the world at large.
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Regional Banking Crisis
Nonsense.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 6:51 pm to TigerinOkieHell
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TigerinOkieHell
You forgot the ESG investments they had, without which there would have been no threat of collapse.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:00 pm to TomJoadGhost
The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was a Clinton Era policy that was one of the first modern Social Justice legislation attempts that created the Mortgage Meltdown and the financial crisis of 2008.
There were many banks created and poorly run before 2008 since the implementation of CRA during the Clinton Administration. In order for them to grow and try to continue to hold their ground against bigger banks, they had to make compromises due to CRA.
In many real ways, the failures since 2008 due to stress tests and other issues are a long, drawn out unwinding of risk created in smaller institutions back between the 90’s and ‘08. Risk mandated on them by poorly thought out legislation which created huge risks with few ways for smaller banks to manage it without creating unique, collateralized debt obligations (CDO), Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) and Credit Default Swaps (CDS).
They couldn’t grow unless they made risky loans to promote home ownership in minority communities and demographics. Which CRA required them to do in order to continue to grow. They couldn’t discriminate against anyone so they had to relax lending standards in order to increase home ownership numbers in the demographics the legislation was pointed at across the board.
In order to thread that needle, standards were lowered across the board. Money got easy, liar loans became standard practice and CDO/MBS/CDS helped banks face the heat from the risk…until they couldn’t put the risk off anymore.
Same situation here with the plethora of banks failing since 2008.
CRA turned capitalism against itself using politically implemented, ideologically driven market interference to try to engineer an outcome that multiple administrations (dating back to the Carter one) proved the market was not producing and also not producing due to racism or bias. Which many liberals suspected but things like HMDA proved for decades wasn’t happening.
The seeds of our current issues were in some ways planted during the Carter administration and were watered and tended during the Clinton and Obama years…coming home to roost only now.
There were many banks created and poorly run before 2008 since the implementation of CRA during the Clinton Administration. In order for them to grow and try to continue to hold their ground against bigger banks, they had to make compromises due to CRA.
In many real ways, the failures since 2008 due to stress tests and other issues are a long, drawn out unwinding of risk created in smaller institutions back between the 90’s and ‘08. Risk mandated on them by poorly thought out legislation which created huge risks with few ways for smaller banks to manage it without creating unique, collateralized debt obligations (CDO), Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) and Credit Default Swaps (CDS).
They couldn’t grow unless they made risky loans to promote home ownership in minority communities and demographics. Which CRA required them to do in order to continue to grow. They couldn’t discriminate against anyone so they had to relax lending standards in order to increase home ownership numbers in the demographics the legislation was pointed at across the board.
In order to thread that needle, standards were lowered across the board. Money got easy, liar loans became standard practice and CDO/MBS/CDS helped banks face the heat from the risk…until they couldn’t put the risk off anymore.
Same situation here with the plethora of banks failing since 2008.
CRA turned capitalism against itself using politically implemented, ideologically driven market interference to try to engineer an outcome that multiple administrations (dating back to the Carter one) proved the market was not producing and also not producing due to racism or bias. Which many liberals suspected but things like HMDA proved for decades wasn’t happening.
The seeds of our current issues were in some ways planted during the Carter administration and were watered and tended during the Clinton and Obama years…coming home to roost only now.
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:06 pm to TigerinOkieHell
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Now the VC’s have all realized they threw all their cash in one bank which is only insured to $250k so they’re screaming to get bailouts
It blows my mind the regular people I meet that don't know deposit accounts are only insured up to $250 through the FDIC.
And these people regularly handle hundreds of millions of dollars at these VC and Tech firms.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:34 pm to IAmNERD
It’s not just the VC’s. It’s the start ups.
But again you’re being obtuse here. The more folks-whether VC’s, startups or others-see instability, the more their money flows to STRICTLY to the biggest banks.
This creates instability and fewer choices in the market if unchecked. Which is a negative for Main Street as a whole. Small businesses, local folks, non coastal elite, big bank types.
You’ve got to protect mid sized banks because if we don’t have choices and market competition in the financial sector, it’s a bad thing for capitalism.
But again you’re being obtuse here. The more folks-whether VC’s, startups or others-see instability, the more their money flows to STRICTLY to the biggest banks.
This creates instability and fewer choices in the market if unchecked. Which is a negative for Main Street as a whole. Small businesses, local folks, non coastal elite, big bank types.
You’ve got to protect mid sized banks because if we don’t have choices and market competition in the financial sector, it’s a bad thing for capitalism.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:37 pm to GFunk
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But again you’re being obtuse here.
Not sure how you made this leap when I simply commented on how it's incredible to me that so many people don't understand the FDIC 250k limit.
But, you do you man...
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:13 pm to MikeD
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How is the failure of Roku going to impact any consumers to an extent greater than being out of $50 for a player? There are plenty of other providers. So allow them to fail or let them survive on their own merit not from a bailout.
They’re employees for one. You guys would be singing a different tune if it was hancock whitney or regions
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:14 pm to Street Hawk
I’m not worried about it. I know Kamala is handling it.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:24 pm to IAmNERD
The point is that people are screaming…and banking panics are a bad thing.
Your inability to see my points is reinforcing a lot of why interacting here is not really useful for many people who actually put thought into researching issues before hyperventilating and shitposting about people who are orders of magnitude more capable of driving, moving and creating capital in our system.
But hey…you said it. You do you.
Your inability to see my points is reinforcing a lot of why interacting here is not really useful for many people who actually put thought into researching issues before hyperventilating and shitposting about people who are orders of magnitude more capable of driving, moving and creating capital in our system.
But hey…you said it. You do you.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:54 pm to GFunk
You can not see the forest for all the pesky trees
What triggered 2008 was fraud and probably had political allies on both sides
Get out of the blame game dude and get the reality check
Sup prime was the smoke screen, the bigger issue was the leverage game and derivatives. I suggest you watch "The Big Short" and pay attention to the scene with the female actress describing the leverage of derivatives and comparing it do a game of odds in Vegas. It was spelled out in a way to make it easier to understand.
What triggered 2008 was fraud and probably had political allies on both sides
Get out of the blame game dude and get the reality check
Sup prime was the smoke screen, the bigger issue was the leverage game and derivatives. I suggest you watch "The Big Short" and pay attention to the scene with the female actress describing the leverage of derivatives and comparing it do a game of odds in Vegas. It was spelled out in a way to make it easier to understand.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:08 pm to MikeD
The stock market should exist to provide capital to businesses at a modest return. This business of sales and profit growth quarter over quarter into oblivion or your stock tanks is crazy.
Couple that with privatized gains and socialized losses and you’ve got a giant casino with zero risk. Destined to fail
Couple that with privatized gains and socialized losses and you’ve got a giant casino with zero risk. Destined to fail
Posted on 3/12/23 at 11:26 pm to Cheese Grits
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You are replying to the following post:
Posted by Message
Cheese
Acting on any level that the mortgage crisis didn’t play a massive role in ‘08 tells me you don’t know what you’re talking about. Regardless of what they did about the issue, you’ve either misspoken here or are completely uninformed.
That you saw my post where I mention CDO’s, MBS’s and CDS’s and refer to a film to educate me when I literally shared with you the information behind the products created to mitigate the risk of the legislation which created subprime mortgages is an ignorance level that’s off the chart.
Hint: I’ve originated, underwritten and closed more mortgages than you have by a factor of likely over 100. I spent years in the industry and held licensures and registrations to do business within said industry in multiple states.
…and on the other side of the argument, we see you recommending people watch a movie to learn more.
The people that post here are often wrong…but they are never in doubt.
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:54 am to GFunk
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Hint: I’ve originated, underwritten and closed more mortgages than you have by a factor of likely over 100.
These kinds of statements never go south
Posted on 3/13/23 at 1:22 am to TigerinOkieHell
frick Bill Ackman. He can be directly linked to the failing supply chain issues because of installing Hunter Harrison as CEO of Canadian Pacific Railroad and then the spread of “Precision Scheduled Railroading”.
You are seeing the fruits of PSR in the train derailments happening across the country.
frick him.
You are seeing the fruits of PSR in the train derailments happening across the country.
frick him.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 1:42 am to Street Hawk
shite like this makes me become even more serious about loading up on gold
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