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re: Bike lane controversy on Glenmore Ave in BR

Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:49 am to
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:49 am to
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but the fact is that it was made into a bike lane



That the homeowners agreed to.


People seem to leave this little tidbit out.

The homeowners didn't like the traffic that was going down the street, and demanded that the city put in measures to slow it down.

The city's plan, which the residents voted for, included speed bumps, and a dedicated bike lane to prevent cars from going around the speed humps.

That lane is a right of way now. And you cannot block a right or way.

If their neighborhood agreement does not allow parking in the lawns, then they should probably change that private agreement instead of changing public policy first.


Just saying.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86208 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:51 am to
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That the homeowners agreed to.


yep

seems they didn't understand the rules of their "gift"
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:52 am to
They are within city limits. BR ordinances forbid people from parking in their yards.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:52 am to
A slow moving residential street shouldn't need a bike lane anyways.

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Cyclist don't demand a damned thing, because it's already given to them. There is no requirement for training nor insurance. Do you really truly feel that a cyclist needs a license, or are you just annoyed by them to the point that you want to enforce some ludicrous rule? Do you think that there are enough cases where damage occurs that a cyclist needs insurance? How much of a monetary value do you think they cause per year? Think about it before you try to act high and mighty. This all boils down to purely being annoyed with them. Quit fooling yourselves.


Hey look, another cyclist that accepts the responsibilities of a pedestrian but demands the privileges of an insured, licensed, and tax-generating motorist.

I am probably on my bike more than 90% of the posters here and I know most cyclists blow through stop signs, take to the sidewalk, cut through traffic stopped at intersections on the gutter, etc.

Do you really expect me to believe that most of us aren't complete assholes that ignore the law? The 70% of cyclists that are complete jerks are ruining it for those 30% of us that actually know what we are doing.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 11:00 am
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:52 am to
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seems they didn't understand the rules of their "gift"




They don't seem to understand rules.

They believe they make their own rules.
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
23253 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:53 am to
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DPW is deciding. And since they cannot donate land to private landowners....




A bit naive, no?
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:53 am to
And they claim that at the time they were told they could still park there. It basically turned into a he said she said.

Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86208 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:54 am to
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another cyclist that accepts the responsibilities of a pedestrian but demands the privileges of an insured, licensed, and tax-generating motorist.


what are you talking about?

Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:54 am to
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They are within city limits. BR ordinances forbid people from parking in their yards.




You know how people in my neighborhood and Capital heights get around that?


We build little areas in our front yards for cars to park.

five of my neighbors installed these within the past two months.


And a link to said ordinance? Seriously, because I've never heard of that nor seen it enforced.
Posted by torrey225
Member since Mar 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:58 am to
You just can't park in the grass. The parking pads are not disallowed.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:58 am to
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You know how people in my neighborhood and Capital heights get around that? We build little areas in our front yards for cars to park.


I don't know why you're arguing with me. I have a parking pad in the front in addition to my driveway

Many of the Glenmore residents have them as well. But I do sympathize with them when they would like to have people over that take up more than the 5-7 parking spots they may have.

I'm too lazy to find the ordinance but we used it a few years ago to call on a neighbor.
Posted by piratedude
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2009
2805 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:59 am to
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A few of the Glenmore residents claim that Ingolf said at multiple meetings you can park in the lane, and Ingolf swears he never said that.


I was at many of those meetings, maybe all. The question was asked often "what if someone parks in the bike lane?" the answer from DPW and the mayor was always "call the police, they will issue tickets."

Back then, the people who lived on capital heights and glenmore were united....we needed relief from traffic. The people on country club, longwood and ingleside were vociferous in their opposition. "You'll just shift traffic off of CH and Glenmore and sent them our way." CH and Glenmore begged for the changes, and we got them. for them to say now they had no idea that they were getting a bike lane (they said that last night) and they had no idea that it was illegal to park in a bike lane (two old lawyers said that last night) is disingenuous at best.

edited because i can't spell
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 11:10 am
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:00 am to
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You just can't park in the grass.



I got that. I just see cars parked in the grass for parties all the time.

quote:

The parking pads are not disallowed.




Homeowners should do this instead. Install these on your Private Property instead if you are so worried about people parking at your house.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:01 am to
I figured that was the case.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:03 am to
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And they claim that at the time they were told they could still park there. It basically turned into a he said she said.



The point is they want it gone or they want their parking.

...all because some jerk or group of jerks on a bike didn't like having to steer around the lawn guy.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 11:05 am
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
108344 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:04 am to
How would drivers like it if a dump truck was allowed to park on the right lane of a 2 lane busy street blocking traffic and making people in cars swerve around into oncoming lane to proceed through? This is the same thing.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86208 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:06 am to
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The point is they want it gone or they want their parking.


and the point is they should have researched before they provided this wonderful "gift" to the world

quote:

.all because some jerk or group of jerks on a bike didn't like having to steer around the lawn guy.


may not be a big deal on this street, but busier streets, it most certainly would be an issue
Posted by torrey225
Member since Mar 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:06 am to
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Sec. 11:415. - Stopping, standing or parking prohibited; general rules.
(a)
No person shall stop, stand or park a vehicle, or permit a vehicle registered in his name to be stopped, standing or parked, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with law or the directions of a law enforcement officer or traffic-control device, or parking-control device in any of the following places:
(1)
On a sidewalk;
(2)
In front of or blocking a public or private driveway;
(3)
Within an intersection;
(4)
Within fifteen (15) feet of a fire hydrant;
(5)
On a crosswalk;
(6)
Within twenty-five (25) feet of a crosswalk or curbline at an intersection;
(7)
Within thirty (30) feet upon the approach to any flashing beacon, stop sign, or traffic-control signal located at the side of a roadway;
(8)
Between a safety zone and the adjacent curb or within twenty (20) feet on points on the curb immediately opposite the ends of a safety zone, unless the department of public works has indicated a different length by signs or markings;
(9)
Within fifty (50) feet of the nearest rail of a railroad crossing;
(10)
Within twenty (20) feet of the driveway entrance to any fire station and on the side of a street opposite the entrance to any fire station within seventy-five (75) feet of the entrance (when properly signposted);
(11)
Alongside or opposite any street excavation or obstruction when stopping, standing or parking would obstruct traffic;
(12)
On the roadway side of any vehicle stopped or parked at the edge or curb of a street;
(13)
Upon any bridge or other elevated structure upon a highway or within a highway tunnel;
(14)
At any place where official signs prohibit such;
(15)
On the driver's left-hand side of any two-way street or highway;
(16)
At any place where the curb has officially been painted red;
(17)
Within any zone or officially marked place designated as a fire lane at all schools, hospitals, churches and other places of public assembly, as well as commercial and shopping facilities, and apartment complexes;
(18)
Within a lane of traffic that is clearly marked by lines to identify it as a lane for the movement of traffic;
(19)
Any place where parking will obscure or obstruct visibility of any traffic-control device;
(20)
Upon the traveled portion of any roadway except to yield to other traffic, or as directed by a signal or sign, or as directed by a law enforcement officer;
(21)
Alongside a neutral ground curb;
(22)
On the grass in the front yard between the front of the residence and the street of any lot in the Al, A2, A2.5, A3 or A4 districts and in recognized subdivisions in the rural district
.
(23)
In such location as to block United States Postal Service access to a residential mailbox.
(b)
No person shall move a vehicle not lawfully under his control into any such prohibited area or away from a curb such distance as is unlawful.
(Ord. No. 7504, § 22, 4-25-84; Ord. No. 12725, § 1, 8-25-03; Ord. No. 13688, § 1, 7-26-06; Ord. No. 14928, § 1, 5-26-10)

Sec. 11:416 - Parking on neutral ground, parks, rights-of-way, sidewalks and other public and private places prohibited.
No person shall stop, stand or park a vehicle or permit a vehicle registered in his name to be stopped, standing or parked, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the law and directions of a police officer or traffic parking-control device, at any of the following places:

(1)
Upon a neutral ground, right-of-way, sidewalk, strip of land between a property line and street curb, or other public way.

(2)
Upon any area of property comprising parks, playgrounds, recreational areas or facilities owned or operated by the recreation and parks commission that has not been specifically designated for parking and which interferes with the designed purpose thereof.
(3)
Upon any portion of the levee of the east bank of the Mississippi River opposite the Louisiana Arts and Science Center.
(4)
Upon privately owned property without the prior authorization and consent of the owner thereof.
(Ord. No. 7504, § 22, 4-25-84; Ord. No. 9876, § 1, 4-27-94; Ord. No. 13688, § 1, 7-26-06; Ord. No. 15011, § 1, 10-27-10)
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:07 am to
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all because some jerk or group of jerks on a bike didn't like having to steer around the lawn guy.




Honestly, the residents seem to be coming off as the bigger assholes.

The bikers were just taking the appropriate actions as told to them by the city.

I mean, they were the ones following the law.
Posted by torrey225
Member since Mar 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:07 am to
I don't believe they can have their parking according to BR Municode whether there is a bike lane there or not.
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