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re: Best video yet of Delta airplane crashing in Canada and flipping
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:52 pm to member12
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:52 pm to member12
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You are misrepresenting this.
Not all minorities are DWI hires who are not qualified for the job. But some of them are. Which undermines the achievements and qualifications of the minorities who actually are qualified.
Also we don’t actually know if this is pilot error either way.
We certainly don't know what happened in this incident.
We also know that not all hires or school admissions based on who your parents are qualified. There is a reason nepotism is considered a fairly negative idea when it comes to hiring people....but it is VERY common. Unfortunately no matter how competent the owner's son is he is going to be viewed by some as having the job simply because he is the owners son. There are far more examples of unqualified people being hired or gaining access to higher education based on who they are and who their family is, regardless of their qualifications and lack thereof, than there are of unqualified people being hired because of DEI initiatives. The simply fact that any sort of DEI initiative is only, at best, 60 or so years old but nepotism is as old as mankind the math is simple to do....up until 60 years or so ago skin color and family ties were the SOLE determining factor in school admissions and hiring....regardless of merit. Merit has only come into favor when it became less fashionable to simply hire people who looked like the boss and educate only those children whose parents could pay the bill OR the student could qualify for the GI bill...which also used race as a determining factor for qualification. No one gave a tinkers damn about merit relative to skin color until about 60 years ago....
Posted on 2/19/25 at 3:02 pm to wm72
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However, I can say that’s also why DEI creates the divisions it does. It’s not totally unfounded that white men without those connections could find themselves as the only ones without a leg up in certain situations.
This is CERTAINLY true today.....it is entirely possible that a young white man without any familial connections who did not do particularly well in school may well find themselves in a difficult position career wise. That young man would be better off, however, than a similarly situated black man or woman of any color because the majority of people in a position to hire someone is far more likely to look like the young white man than any other group. This is due to the fact that for most of recent history, the last 60 years not withstanding, white men were hired and educated at a higher level than any other group simply based on their biological sex and skin color and we have a huge advantage of numbers even now because of this.
I was accepted into a trade apprenticeship straight out of high school I was qualified but I was also the 4th member of my family who worked in that trade in Atlanta. When I applied there were a little over 6000 applicants for 30 slots....some of those applicants were college graduates with several years experience in the trade. All 25 of those 30 slots went to applicants who had family members in the trade.....all 30 went to white applicants, 2 of whom were women whose fathers were in the trade, the rest men. This was in 1984 in Atlanta, a city with a sizeable black population and one of the highest % of educated black people in the US. Of the 25 applicants who were taken in who had family in the trade 14 flunked out. They were not qualified. This was not and is not unusual today....
Posted on 2/19/25 at 3:14 pm to HeadCall
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However, Delta will at the very least interview and probably hire every minority and women who has 1500 hours
I have never heard of or met anyone that received an interview, much less a job offer, from Delta at 1500 hours - since that FAA rule went into place. The lowest flight time pilots are almost always Military fighter jet pilots, the vast majority who are white males.
FWIW.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 3:17 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I have never heard of or met anyone that received an interview, much less a job offer, from Delta at 1500 hours - since that FAA rule went into place. The lowest flight time pilots are almost always Military fighter jet pilots, who are almost exclusively white males
The 1500 number was a hypothetical. I have no idea what their actual minimums are. The point remains that a female or minority pilot with X number of hours is preferable to the hiring committee to a white make pilot with X number of hours.
I will agree though that military guys generally go to the front of the line.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 4:07 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I have never heard of or met anyone that received an interview, much less a job offer, from Delta at 1500 hours - since that FAA rule went into place. The lowest flight time pilots are almost always Military fighter jet pilots, the vast majority who are white males.
FWIW.
But what about Endeaver, as this was an Endeaver flown plane so Delta is irrelevant.
Delta owns Endeaver, so we can fight about the small details all we want but I'm not sure any of that is relevant here.
There's literally programs to help instructors that didn't go military to go into the regionals.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 4:22 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I have never heard of or met anyone that received an interview, much less a job offer, from Delta at 1500 hours - since that FAA rule went into place. The lowest flight time pilots are almost always Military fighter jet pilots, the vast majority who are white males.
not going to see that much more since the Feds raised civilian mins, my biggest task in convincing my young fighter pilot buddies is that mins are reducible for mil pilots, but aside from that, at our airline if you are female/minority, have the min flight time met and can fog up a mirror you’re getting an offer, back in my day it was crazy, I had a friend get hired with 400 hours, 200 of which was in a Viper
ETA: but there was also a chick in my class hired with about 2000 hours, no college or ATP while everyone else in the class averaged 4000, ATP, and of course a college degree, and military
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:02 pm to 777Tiger
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I had a friend get hired with 400 hours, 200 of which was in a Viper
Nasty work.

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ETA: but there was also a chick in my class hired with about 2000 hours, no college or ATP while everyone else in the class averaged 4000, ATP, and of course a college degree, and military
I’m guessing that was more of a case of “nice tits” than DEI.

Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:03 pm to Tuscaloosa
According to the FAA database, the girl who was flying this plane didn’t earn her certificate until January, a little over 40 days ago.
Basically brand new.
Basically brand new.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:10 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:16 pm to bikerack
Reports that it was a 26 year old female recently licensed at the controls.. yikes.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:42 pm to Rhino5
Not a good look.
However, every minute they delay releasing the names of the pilots it becomes obvious why.
However, every minute they delay releasing the names of the pilots it becomes obvious why.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:44 pm to Rhino5
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Reports that it was a 26 year old female recently licensed at the controls.. yikes.
And she was an instagram princess more interested in social media “influencing”
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:45 pm to AwgustaDawg
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someone on the internet with no vested interest
I would say using their services as a “vested interest”.
I answered your questions.
Hiring practices have nothing to do with improved safety. Improvements in training and technology do.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:48 pm to Tuscaloosa
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According to the FAA database, the girl who was flying this plane didn’t earn her certificate until January, a little over 40 days ago.
That’s standard. She probably is new and had her “type ride” on the CRJ 40 days ago. So the FAA probably reflects her most recent “type certification”.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:53 pm to Rhino5
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Reports that it was a 26 year old female recently licensed at the controls.. yikes.
Unmanned flight.
Can't get them for false advertising.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:26 pm to Cosmo
“ Plus it makes us suspicious of women and brown people that ARE competent and well qualified”
Thomas Sowell made that same observation about affirmative action which was one reason he was against it.
Thomas Sowell made that same observation about affirmative action which was one reason he was against it.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:45 am to Rhino5
Can’t wait for the CVR audio to be released so we can hear how much she was screaming.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:48 am to The Boat
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And she was an instagram princess more interested in social media “influencing”
Not a lot of 26 year olds that aren’t in love with social media. I’m not sure this means anything
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:50 am to triggeredmillennial
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ILS approach with Altimeter set incorrectly I bet.

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