re: Best kind of dog food

My dog prefers table scraps.

We were doing Beneful and our vet recommend Iams or Science Diet. We switched to Iams, and it's working well.

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Best kind of dog food Victor hi-pro plus, look it up.

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Victor is a really good dog food.

I feed my mutt Fromm. It's Grain free.

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Cheap ol' Roy. My last dog was a hunting lab and lived to be 17. Don't believe the hype.

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Kinda what I was thinking. All dogs will eat shite if given the opportunity, no matter the pedigree. Why waste the money?

My Cashmere sweater wearing cousin, his wife, and FiFi spent a weekend with us once. They let FiFi free range in the front yard and as straight as a Martin flys to his gourd, FiFi zeroed in on turd in the neighbors yard. Had it gnawed down to nothing before they could say "OH MY"!

Feed the dog Ole Roy and a hand full of vitamins. It will do just fine.

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Thought this was a sham at first like gluten free stuff is among people, but after doing a bit of reading I found that dogs don't have the ability to properly process carbs.

Granted they are dogs and will eat their own turds, you're doing them a favor by spending a little extra to get the grain free non-processed stuff.

The treats are especially bad and it's worth looking at the ingredients as flour, soy, and starch are common in the cheaper ones.

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Back up your claim and find me some credible, peer reviewed source that says they can't digest carbs. You've been doing the reading - I want to read it.

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You may have a bit of trouble since you apparently can't read...
I didn't say they can't digest carbs.
I said they

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don't have the ability to properly process carbs

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Surely they can digest them, but if they aren't used to them, could be gassy and uncomfortable. I think there's sufficient anecdotal evidence of cheap dog food giving them a nice case of the farts.

National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences, “Nutrient Requirements of Dogs and Cats”, 2006 Edition, National Academies Press, Washington, DC is a publication that essentially states that dogs are able to produce proper glycogen levels from a sufficient amount of meat and fats. Fat being rather important.

And if you use some common sense, Canids do not have a history of grazing pastures before domestication, they were carnivores. That's not to say all dry dog food is bad, but if someone controlled your diet, think about what you'd want.

Here are abstracts to actual peer reviewed publications. Anything you can produce that is actual research? or do you just have a link to an entire book that doesn't even back up your claim that dogs can't properly process carbs.



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Evaluation of maize gluten meal as a protein source in canine foods

By Yamka, Ryan M.; Kitts, Susanna E.; True, Alma D.; Harmon, David L.
From Animal Feed Science and Technology (2004), 116(3-4), 239-248

Ten mature female dogs (19.0 ± 0.4 kg) were used in a replicated 5 × 5 Latin Square expt. to det. the feeding value of corn gluten meal (MGM) in a complete food fed to dogs. All foods contained 100 g poultry meal/kg and graded levels of MGM (4-320 g/kg dry matter) resulting in foods that were 100, 150, 200, 250 and 300 g/kg crude protein (CP). Daily dry matter (DM) intake averaged 307 ± 7 g/d. An increase in MGM resulted in an increase in fecal moisture from 516 to 575 g/kg (linear; P < 0.001) and faecal DM output increased from 24.2 to 32.9 g/d (linear; P < 0.001). The coeff. for apparent ileal digestibility (CIAD) of DM decreased from 0.89 to 0.83 (linear; P < 0.001) and the coeff. for apparent total tract digestibility (CTTAD) of DM decreased from 0.92 to 0.89 (linear; P < 0.001) as MGM increased. The coeff. for apparent large intestinal digestibility (CLIAD; 0.29) was not affected by treatment. Faecal excretion of CP increased from 5.6 to 8.1 g/d (linear; P < 0.001) as MGM increased. Crude protein CIAD increased from 0.73 to 0.82 (linear; P < 0.002) with increasing MGM whereas, CP CLIAD was not affected by treatment (0.40). Crude protein CTTAD increased from 0.84 to 0.91 (linear; P < 0.001) as MGM increased. Methionine had the highest overall CIAD ranging from 0.92 to 0.93 and threonine had the lowest CIAD ranging from 0.65 to 0.75. These data indicate that MGM is a highly digestible protein source for canine foods with inclusions of 84 to 322 g/kg.

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Utilization of corn-soybean meal-substituted diets by dogs

By Moore, M. L.; Fottler, H. J.; Fahey, G. C., Jr.; Corbin, J. E.
From Journal of Animal Science (Savoy, IL, United States) (1980), 50(5), 892-6

Ten adult female pointers were used in metab. trials conducted to evaluate the efficacy of substituting portions of a corn-soybean meal basal diet with 20% tallow, 20% lard, or 30% meat and bone meal, and to compare cooked and uncooked high energy feeds (rice, oats, and corn). In all trials, dry matter digestibility was unaffected by treatment. The starch present in all diets was highly digestible. Cooking of oats significantly improved starch digestibility of this energy source over that of the uncooked control (95.8 vs 93.8%). Starch digestibility of rice and corn was unaffected by cooking. Cellulose [9004-34-6] digestibility was significantly increased when the 20% lard and 30% meat and bone meal diets were fed. Cellulose digestion by dogs fed cooked rice or oats was significantly greater than that by dogs fed uncooked feeds. Fecal moisture was reduced by 25.2% when meat and bone meal was substituted for soybean meal. Dogs fed 20% tallow or 20% lard consumed more N than did their resp. controls. Animals fed cooked rice ingested 6.6% more N than did those fed the uncooked cereal. More fecal N was excreted by animals fed uncooked oats than by those fed cooked oats (19.3 vs 15.5 g/5 days, resp.). Although significant treatment differences in absorbed and retained N were obsd., no differences in retained N expressed as a percentage of N intake were noted in any of the expts.

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Effects of six carbohydrate sources on dog diet digestibility and post-prandial glucose and insulin response

By Carciofi, A. C.; Takakura, F. S.; de-Oliveira, L. D.; Teshima, E.; Jeremias, J. T.; Brunetto, M. A.; Prada, F.

From Journal of Animal Physiology and Animal Nutrition (2008), 92(3), 326-336
The effects of six extruded diets with different starch sources (cassava flour, brewer's rice, corn, sorghum, peas or lentils) on dog total tract apparent digestibility and glycemic and insulinemic response were investigated. The expt. was carried out on thirty-six dogs with six dogs per diet in a completely randomized design. The diets contg. brewer's rice and cassava flour presented the greatest digestibility of dry matter, org. matter and gross energy (p < 0.05), followed by corn and sorghum; pea and lentil diets had the lowest. Starch digestibility was greater than 98% in all diets and was greater for brewer's rice and cassava flour than for lentils and peas diets (p < 0.05). Dogs' immediate post-prandial glucose and insulin responses (AUC = 30 min) were greater for brewer's rice, corn, and cassava flour diets (p < 0.05), and later meal responses (AUC = 30 min) were greater for sorghum, lentil and pea diets (p < 0.05). Variations in diet digestibility and post-prandial response can be explained by differences in chem. compn. of each starch source including fiber content and starch granule structure. The nutritional particularities of each starch ingredient can be explored through diet formulations designed to modulate glycemic response. However, more studies are required to support these.


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I'm not gonna read all of that but if you want to feed your dog a carb diet, go for it.

And I won't

Not uber but Ups will if you Order on Amazon.

I use purina pro plan