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re: Baton Rougeans...how much better would life be in St George?

Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:15 am to
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:15 am to
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This is my issue with the movement as well. There’s no visible leadership or clear goals. Let’s form a city. But. . . how will it improve the quality of life for my family? 

This is no different than what Central and Zachary did successfully. They both have top 5 school districts in the state too. Would you prefer the status quo?
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:25 am to
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This is no different than what Central and Zachary did successfully. They both have top 5 school districts in the state too. Would you prefer the status quo?




You are very mis informed.



Zachary has been a city since 1890's.


And Central has a ton of organizational problems.

Do you have an answer to his concerns?
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 8:27 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:29 am to
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The problem is that there are a ton of soccer moms who are continuously posting about St George on various dot.com places and they offer no data. It's almost as if they're asking for a vote for homecoming Court or something. St George needs to get better spokespeople out there immediately if they want this to go through.


What data is there? What would be better about St. George? What is the realistic timeline for these things to materialize?

I ask these seriously. I want to learn.
Posted by Impotent Waffle
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:29 am to
I am honestly asking. Why the big push for St George? Same fire protection, same Police protection, same water, same garbage pickup, an independent school district is not guaranteed.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:30 am to
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What data is there? What would be better about St. George? What is the realistic timeline for these things to materialize? 




You won't get an answer bc they don't have them.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:32 am to
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My neighborhood app has a great many upper class people who despise the idea of SG and how there wont be any hospitals or schools.


Nextdoor?

Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:34 am to
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And Central has a ton of organizational problems

And good schools. I'm from Central btw and much of my family still lives there.

I live in BR and pay 11k for private school. If I had the choice to pay slightly higher taxes for good public schools I'd do it in a heartbeat. Step #1 is incorporation. Non magnet EBR schools are beyond the point of return. I'd foreclose on my house before I sent my daughter to one of them.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:36 am to
Hospitals are where they are located now and have nothing to do with where you live. It's not as if when SG becomes a city the hospitals are magically going to be further away from your house.

As for schools, that's s different subject. The goal is after becoming a city then the desire is to become an ISD. Schools would have to be addressed immediately if an ISD us created at a later date.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 9:22 am
Posted by TheFonz
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:37 am to
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Baton Rougeans...how much better would life be in St George?





Meanwhile, in the rest of Baton Rouge:

Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:37 am to
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no basic city services are in the budget either, they are basically going to compensate BREC, DWP, EBRSO, EMS and bunch of other for existing services. Ill pass.


STG is not seceding from the parish. Its residents will still be paying the same PARISH taxes that pays for these services. Just because there is a City police department for Baton Rouge does not mean that those people living inside the city limits don't also pay for the EBRSO. Same thing for EMS (it's City/Parish, not just City).

Same thing regarding most infrastructure (roads, sewer, etc.). With some exceptions, these are all PARISH items that will continue to be PARISH items if STG ever happens.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 8:40 am
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:38 am to
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many upper class people who despise the idea of SG and how there wont be any hospitals


No hospitals? Will residents of St. George all of the sudden not be allowed at OLOL or BR General which are close by? Will residents of Baton Rouge not be allowed to have their baby at Woman's hospital because its in St. George?
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:42 am to
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Same thing regarding most infrastructure (roads, sewer, etc.). With some exceptions, these are all PARISH items that will continue to be PARISH items if STG ever happens.






No no.


That's not how that works.




And he asked how SG would make his family's life better.

Retaining services he already pays for does not do that.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:42 am to
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I am honestly asking. Why the big push for St George? Same fire protection, same Police protection, same water, same garbage pickup, an independent school district is not guaranteed.


An ISD will absolutely NEVER happen without it. Plus, the last push for STG exposed the "dirty little secret" of how the unincorporated areas are in many ways the "cash cow" for the city (as well as demonstrating the disdain some of the city elites have towards those living in those areas [terrorists anyone?]).
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:47 am to
The people who keep saying that an ISD in St. George is not guaranteed need to remember that the baton rouge school system continuing to be a dissaster is guaranteed.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42595 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:48 am to
You ask a lot of questions that have been answered.

The long term vision is to have a city. A budget was presented for that outlining city services. The goal is to have better city services than what the Parish provides now.

The long range goal is to have an ISD. That's common knowledge. A plan for an ISD is forthcoming, but that's not what the current petition is all about. The current petition is to form a city.

SGeans would continue to pay sales tax for infrastructure improvements for the Green Light Plan(roads, road maintenance, and etc.), taxes and fees for sewer upgrades and sewer maintenance that are parish wide. That won't change at all. Neither will garbage pick up. That too is a parish service.

If SG is formed schools won't change at all unless an ISD is created. That's common knowledge or at least I thought it was.

As for who will run the city, there will be a mayor who is elected. A council will be elected. This isn't rocket science. SG isn't doing something revolutionary here. They are just going what BR did 200 years ago and what Central dud not too long ago, trying to incorporate.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:49 am to
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No hospitals? Will residents of St. George all of the sudden not be allowed at OLOL or BR General which are close by? Will residents of Baton Rouge not be allowed to have their baby at Woman's hospital because its in St. George?


That's the dumbest argument yet.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35867 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:53 am to
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SGeans would continue to pay sales tax for infrastructure improvements for the Green Light Plan(roads, road maintenance, and etc.), taxes and fees for sewer upgrades and sewer maintenance that are parish wide. That won't change at all. Neither will garbage pick up. That too is a parish service. 





For parish roads. When you form a city you are put in charge of "local roads.

And why can't Central get their drainage figured out? Because they have to provide that now. And they never did.


And garbage is not parish wide. It's parish for unincorporated.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:55 am to
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Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:55 am to
I don't even live in St George (by about a half mile) and I still hope it passes. I think it's a hail marry to save parts of SBR.

If it fails BR will be Jackson, MS in 15 years. I'll keep paying for private school more than likely because my daughter has been in her school for 7-8 years now.
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
7157 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:30 am to
The schools would be better. Property values may raise a little and overall area may become more exclusive. All in all though it won't be a ton different. You will still be surrounded by trash and going into Baton Rouge will be required for most of the activities around here so you still run into the dregs of society. Legislature should have just given them their school district.
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