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re: Baton Rouge private schools vs. public schools
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:06 pm to Will Cover
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:06 pm to Will Cover
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For the 2007-2008 school year, annual tuition for LSU's Lab School for all grades was $3,652. Tuition at St. Joseph’s Academy was $7,931; at Parkview Baptist, $5,440 to $5,865; and at Episcopal High School, $9,850 to $12,900.
I wouldn't send my child to an EBR parish public school, but I would send my child to an Ascension parish public school.
Here's my question ... while I believe that the BR private schools mentioned above offer a great education, do you think the price is justified? Not to many employers care where you went to grade school. Also, many kids can "catch up" so to speak as well later on in life (college).
Comments?
To answer the original poster as a product of both public and private schools in EBRP:
10 years ago I would have said no. The Public system was great, as long as you had a good idea what you wanted to do. Belaire with Nursing, BRHS with Arts and Scotlandville with Math/Engineering. But the completely mentally handicapped school board destroyed all of that. The public system in EBRP itself is demolished.
The private schools were always solid, never great, and usually mixed with old Louisiana politics, this was never a good thing.
Now I think they would be a viable alternative. I do hear Ascension Parish runs well, and I know a few teachers in it. It's probably a good way to go if you can get your kids in there, as it is the "up and coming" area. Around here, I think there isn't much of a gap between public and private unless you are strictly talking about EBRP Public schools.
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:07 pm to CharlesLSU
This post was edited on 3/6/08 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:08 pm to Will Cover
EBR public school spends more per pupil than any private school except Episcopal.
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:09 pm to guttata
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Why don't you open your eyes hayseed. Most kids, outside of LA do go to public schools
Assuming this was correctly addressed at me,
I didn't say shite about kids going to public schools outside of La. What I said was what people call good schools in La are only average nationally, they are not truly excellent like some of the private schools are.
I'm no hayseed either, jerkoff.
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:09 pm to Old Smokey
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EBR public school spends more per pupil than any private school except Episcopal.
Cant tell
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:10 pm to BMoney
I'm all for a private school education, be it Catholic, Baptist or Episcopal, or any of the academies. Too much grap goes on in the public schools. Did you know that it is a federal law that special ed students have to be mainstreamed with the regular students? To help these mainstream achieve, standards are definitely. If special ed kids are mainstreamed, why have a special ed. If the special ed kids go through the week without getting into trouble, then they are rewarded on Fridays. The get pizzas delievered to class, field trip to see amovie, etc. Meanwhile average Joe or Mary never get into trouble and are never rewarded. Another thing, they don't want the teachers to fail too many students because we don't want to look bad. The reason Episcopal is so expensive, they don't receive any state aid. Episcopal totally supports itself.
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:12 pm to Old Smokey
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EBR public school spends more per pupil than any private school except Episcopal.
Yep, most of it on bussing, lawyers, etc............
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:15 pm to LSUfan4444
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alot of the private school teachers actually make less then the public schools so they are there b/c they want to be there...they pass on more money for a passion for what they do and where they do
I know some who are there because they get discount tuition for their kids if they will teach. They do make less money than if they taught in public school.
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:19 pm to Freauxzen
Try School digger rankings
I went to the #13th ranked public HS in LA and look how I turned out. Ratings are overrated!
I went to the #13th ranked public HS in LA and look how I turned out. Ratings are overrated!
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:21 pm to Old Smokey
Zachary schools stay right at 20 students per class. Some have 21 but not more than that.
They do have to sacrifice to do this by adding temporary buildings and hiring more teachers, etc.
but the community is supportive and they make this work financially.
By the way, they were told today that they are #1 in the state again.
They do have to sacrifice to do this by adding temporary buildings and hiring more teachers, etc.
but the community is supportive and they make this work financially.
By the way, they were told today that they are #1 in the state again.
This post was edited on 3/4/08 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:23 pm to SloMeaux
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:27 pm to Rouge
I agree Rouge!
People from this school get gubment jobs and post on OT....
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204 Baker High School City Of Baker School District Baker 599 13.6 64.9 35.00 33.0 68.0
People from this school get gubment jobs and post on OT....
This post was edited on 3/4/08 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:31 pm to supatigah
you realize we are talking about elementary and middle schools right? Catholic High Schools are set up differently
"I am on the School Board at a Catholic School, I am intimately familiar with how it all works. I am not telling you what I "heard" I am sharing with you what I know.
If my kid was in a elementary or middle school class at a Catholic School and there were 31 other kids in it I would be pissed off."
Supa, you are wrong on this one. St. George is 32:1. My kids are there and I'm sure of it!
"I am on the School Board at a Catholic School, I am intimately familiar with how it all works. I am not telling you what I "heard" I am sharing with you what I know.
If my kid was in a elementary or middle school class at a Catholic School and there were 31 other kids in it I would be pissed off."
Supa, you are wrong on this one. St. George is 32:1. My kids are there and I'm sure of it!
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:32 pm to CanShakersDecayedNut
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dumb logic is throwing out numbers as if you have all the information. You have no idea what the salary structure, true teacher to student ratio (I have told you multiple times now that they have additional reading and math teachers), tuition (it's under 4k), and other overhead is. You are just throwing out numbers trying to prove your point, but those numbers just couldn't be more meaningless.
salary at any private school is a percentage of the public school system pay scale, so unless the East Baton Rouge parish system pay scale is astronomically higher than the Lafayette parish system, the salary structure is about the same. The catholic School structure is anywhere from 60% (for starting teachers in the poorest Catholic Schools) - 90% (for the senior level teachers in the most affluent Catholic Schools) of the local public school salary system. This is the salary average for Catholic Schools across the state. Even the wealthiest Catholic schools have a hard time reaching 90% for their most senior teachers
Using $4000 for tuition is a nice round number, I realize some schools in Lafayette and Baton Rouge cost more and some cost less. I used that number to illustrate a simple point. More kids crammed in a classroom means more revenue for the school.
My generic numbers are no more or less meaningless than comparing test scores of schools from two different Diocese like you want to do.
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You also completely ignore the point of the schools finding a way to serve their parishoners.
So by offering the best possible learning environment and remaining true to their principles and school charter the Lafayette schools are NOT finding a way to serve their Parishioners? There has to be a line drawn somewhere and they choose 26:1. Is cramming 6 more kids per class really serving the Parishioners?
19 kids of Parishioners were turned down for Pre-K, 499 kids of parishioners are being educated in a quality environment. Which number is more important to the Parish, 19 or 499? Who is being better served? Parents of 19 kids that have to find an alternative to their Parish school or the parents of 499 kids that know their kids are in a good learning environment?
and it is wrong to think that there the 19 kids that were turned down didnt eventually enroll in Catholic School. All but 2 of them did, just not their Church Parish school.
Look you can believe what you want to believe, when it comes down to it you are going to defend the bigger class sizes because you want to believe your money is well spent, fine I get that. All I am saying is, Lafayette Diocese has not followed the BTR lead with expanding class sizes. A parent in BTR wont know until they reach the end of the road whether the bigger class sizes and subsequently reduced teacher attention hurt their kid or not. The Lafayette Diocese chose to stand their ground and not run the risk of causing problems for the kids. That kind of decision to me is the HEIGHT of serving their Parishioners.
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:36 pm to profitmaster
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Supa, you are wrong on this one. St. George is 32:1. My kids are there and I'm sure of it!
you need to go back and reread the whole thread, you have cherry picked some comments and taken them out of context
and since you say 32:1 is the ratio, you should be pissed because that number in a Catholic School is pretty ridiculous
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:40 pm to supatigah
My daughter is in the 7th grade and just took the ACT. She made a 19. I'm pretty damn happy.
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:46 pm to profitmaster
What is the point for a 7th grader to take the ACT when they haven't seen alot of material on it?
This post was edited on 3/4/08 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:48 pm to Will Cover
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do you think the price is justified?
hell yes, when put up against the public school. i would homeschool my kids before i sent them into the public school system.
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:49 pm to guttata
My point is they have seen most of it if they go to a good school. Have you seen an ACT study guide. I personally went through it with her and most of it she had or is currently doing. Trig being the only exception.
Posted on 3/4/08 at 12:49 pm to profitmaster
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My daughter is in the 7th grade and just took the ACT. She made a 19. I'm pretty damn happy.
congrats, sounds like she has a bright future
however we arent talking about the performance of individuals, but the well being of the "masses." The brightest individuals in the school probably arent affected too much by a lack of amount of interaction they have with the teacher, but that is not the case for everyone and the school is there to serve "everyone" as best they can.
That being said, imagine how much more material your child would be exposed to if she were in a class size of 24. 8 less kids to share her class space with, ask the teacher questions, slow the teacher down, talk out of turn, need teacher assistance etc
This post was edited on 3/4/08 at 12:51 pm
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