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re: Bank Of America - Minimum Wage to be $25 hr/50K yr

Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:52 am to
Posted by i am dan
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:52 am to
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BUT, if it's some dude who was making $16/hour and automatically gets bumped up to $25/hour while still providing shite garbage service... that's where I have a big fricking problem


Will be 99% of the case.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:53 am to
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I can't believe how many people in this thread and on this site do not understand this. Every time minimum wage comes up.


It is intuitive...I can remember in econ 101 when we did the pepperoni question and the price of pizzas it may have been the most difficult concept I ever tried to grasp...intuition is based in common sense and common sense has the same value as most things which are common...when most people stop to realize what managing a business actually means they grasp the concept but many refuse to accept it even when it is blatantly obvious...
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:01 am to
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Rising tides raise all boats.
I get it... the wealthy rise faster and higher than the non-wealthy. But everyone is better off in a hyper productive society. But people will bitch about the gap as if that is something that should ever matter.


There is no wealth gap which would matter in a market economy. No matter how wide it was it would be meaningless, in a free market. Unfortunately we do not do business in a free market, we do not do business in a controlled market, we do business in a crony capitalism market...and that is the worst economic idea to ever be dreamed of...but it is the most common one which has ever existed because man is a greedy animal. A rising tide only lifts all boats if all boats have the same amount of anchor rode or no anchor rode at all...if your road is shortened by crony capitalism you are as likely to find your boat sunk as rising....BoA has operated in a crony capitalism market for far too long, relying on tax payers to subsidize their production costs instead of controlling those costs and managing their business in a way which forces them to reconcile those costs with their customers via a cost which is suitable for every one. Why so many people are opposed to companies actually paying their production costs with no assistance from taxpayers is beyond me...but there is an element of greed in it evidenced by the beleif that an increase in production costs will drive up prices to the individual...
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:15 am to
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Again, he said the increase in hourly wages would come solely from BOA' revenue


Well no shite. All costs come from the revenue. If they have to replace the computer, it will come out of the revenue.

The amount of revenue stays the same. That does not change. The word you keep searching so desperately for is “Profit”. Profit Margin is what changes with higher labor costs. It honestly blows my mind how difficult this is for you to understand.

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Therefore net reduction of their profit.


Fify.
Posted by cyarrr
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:01 am to
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Well no shite. All costs come from the revenue. If they have to replace the computer, it will come out of the revenue.

The amount of revenue stays the same. That does not change. The word you keep searching so desperately for is “Profit”. Profit Margin is what changes with higher labor costs. It honestly blows my mind how difficult this is for you to understand.


As stated before, I understand what you have been posting ad nauseum.

Congrats on enlightening me about the proper terminology.

Feel better now?

Again, my point has always been that their actions can adversely affect their profit margin.

By the way, are you still sticking to your assertion that AwgustaDawg was specifically referring to Bank of America when stating there is no economic theory that suggests an increase in production costs drives a corresponding increase in market price?



Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:29 am to
A Bank Teller used to make $18/hr w/ benefits

The teller machine and the mobile deposit app on my phone are free labor who work 24/7
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 11:29 am
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:34 am to
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Again, my point has always been that their actions can adversely affect their profit margin.


Then use the correct words as they can be incredibly important to your point.

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By the way, are you still sticking to your assertion that AwgustaDawg was specifically referring to Bank of America when stating there is no economic theory that suggests an increase in production costs drives a corresponding increase in market price?




That was never my assertion. There's an incredibly strong reasoning behind me very specifically quoting his post about BoA....considering that is the entire topic of this thread.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:35 am to
I love how tards are still screeching about this when everything going up 2x has basically already happened with no adjustment to minimum wage
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:24 pm to
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Granted it was in the early 90s but I remember thinking if I ever make $50k/yr that I will have more money than I know what to do with. I can't imagine trying to build a life and raise a family on $50k today.



That’s what gets lost in all of these poverty debates. The middle class are rapidly becoming the working poor. Actual cost of living for a family of 4 in Louisiana without major subsidies is around $65k.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:32 pm to
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I love how tards are still screeching about this when everything going up 2x has basically already happened with no adjustment to minimum wage




This. Companies have absolutely been raking in the profits over the last year.
Posted by cyarrr
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:38 pm to
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That was never my assertion.


It absolutely was.

I responded to a specific statement made by AwgustaDawg in which he claimed that there was no economic theory that suggests an increase in production costs drives a corresponding increase in market price.

AwgustaDawg was responding to another post that had nothing to do with Bank of America.

You butted in citing my answer then stated-

"What is the "goods that BoA produces and how much is the cost of said "goods"

I responded saying that he wasn’t specifically addressing Bank of America when he made that comment.

Your response-

"He quite literally was specifically addressing BoA."

Do tell, how was his comment was specific to BoA?


Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:38 pm to
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Bank Of America - Minimum Wage to be $25 hr/50K yr
A Bank Teller used to make $18/hr w/ benefits

The teller machine and the mobile deposit app on my phone are free labor who work 24/7



And once again increased production costs were overcome by managing costs...not simply hiking prices because, and this is basic economics, production costs has no impact on price.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:41 pm to
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If the company is publicly traded, loss of revenue will likely result in its devaluation and thus adversely affect stock holders.



Of course shareholders are the business, when the business is relying on taxpayers to subsidize their production costs the shareholders are on the dole themselves. They are welfare recipients. While I am certain they will howl like smashed kitties they ought not be on the dole...they should earn a honest return, not a return based on taxpayers subsidizing production costs.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:46 pm to
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You butted in citing my answer then stated-


False. I stated "cost =/= revenue". You continued to show that you did not know the difference between the two.

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"He quite literally was specifically addressing BoA."

Do tell, how was his comment was specific to BoA?



Once again.....the comment that I very specifically quoted earlier in this thread. Please follow along better.

His argument didn't change based upon which comment you prefer to respond to. The entire thread has to do with BoA. You can't just ignore this fact because it doesn't benefit you.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:07 pm to
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If a sno-ball stand is paying 7 employees $10 an hour and is suddenly has to pay them $20 an hour, where is the owner finding those dollars to pay the employees? They're not going to raise the prices of the sno-balls amongst other maneuvers?

More nuisance than you suggest. A pay raise could and does in many instances elevate employee satisfaction to a point where it makes a tangible difference on the company bottom-line. There is strategy behind these decisions.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:09 pm to
this just in. Teachers in Livingston Parish make less than minimum wage.

Think of it this way - this is an admission that if you make 150k a year, you are really making $18/hr in 1992 money.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3398 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:26 pm to
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False. I stated "cost =/= revenue". You continued to show that you did not know the difference between the two.


Different post, go back and read again.

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quote:

"He quite literally was specifically addressing BoA."

Do tell, how was his comment was specific to BoA?


Once again.....the comment that I very specifically quoted earlier in this thread. Please follow along better.



You cited my response to a specific post he made that referenced the cost of a hamburger when employee pay is adjusted upward. I referred to each post and what was said verbatim. Please follow along.

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His argument didn't change based upon which comment you prefer to respond to. The entire thread has to do with BoA. You can't just ignore this fact because it doesn't benefit you.


And?

His argument about Bank of America has nothing to do with his comment about economic theories.

Are you implying that because this thread is about BoA, his comment is about that bank? If so, you should learn the difference between specific and nonspecific. You know, use the correct words.



Posted by Spoonbilla
Member since Aug 2022
800 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:36 pm to
Frick BOA and their $30 a share stock. Talk to me when you are value relevant in your own business, before your never ending virtue signaling bs.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:38 pm to
People arguing against this pay increase either get their rocks off to the feeling of superiority or they robotically peddle the talking points of masta.

If BoA announced today an additional 1% of salary increase in matched savings, we wouldn't even have a thread. And I guarantee that implementation would cost more than a minimum wage increase.

Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
30627 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:40 pm to
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So they can rent an apartment with a roommate or 2 and finance a 10 year old car while they have nothing left to put in savings.
and share a Netflix acct.
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