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re: Bama in spat with its top donor
Posted on 6/1/19 at 8:43 am to CoachMoorGut
Posted on 6/1/19 at 8:43 am to CoachMoorGut
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So no can change their opinion and think they made a wrong decision
it's all fine if THEY think they may have made the wrong choice, but when they are making legislation restricting the rights and decisions that OTHERS can make, that's a problem...
look, i hate abortion, i really do... but i'm pro-choice, mainly because i don't think it's right, either, to tell a woman that she doesn't even have the right to do what she wants with her own body, when i can do whatever the hell i want to with mine without restriction...
being pro-choice doesn't automatically mean you want abortions to occur... it means you want women to have the right to choose whether they can have one if they want or not... the false narrative that some of the simpletons around here buy into, because that's what's disseminated on a certain conservative 24 hour news channel, is purposely misleading...
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 9:00 am to chRxis
We get it. You, like half the country, have made a determination that it is morally justified to kill an innocent human being . I can’t kill an innocent human being. It’s a moral impasse.
Posted on 6/1/19 at 9:20 am to chRxis
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but when they are making legislation restricting the rights and decisions that OTHERS can make, that's a problem...
I don't have the right to kill. Why should a mother?
Posted on 6/1/19 at 9:29 am to Asharad
Morally you shouldn’t. But the answer is because the Supreme Court gave women the “ right “ to kill the unborn . So now it’s our reality.
Democratic controlled Courts have done this twice when there was a pragmatic “ need” to strip rights away from an undesired class. The Dred Scott decision which decided slaves were less than human and Roe vs Wade which declared the unborn as less than human. When we want to justify our desire to enslave or kill, we will find a way.
Democratic controlled Courts have done this twice when there was a pragmatic “ need” to strip rights away from an undesired class. The Dred Scott decision which decided slaves were less than human and Roe vs Wade which declared the unborn as less than human. When we want to justify our desire to enslave or kill, we will find a way.
Posted on 6/1/19 at 9:58 am to Lsupimp
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Lsupimp
i llke you, bro... i really do, and we have a commonality being we are both married to Vietnamese chicks, so i've always thought we were a little more "connected", if that makes sense...
but let me ask you a question... if your wife was raped, and was impregnated by said rapist, would you force her to carry that child to term, if she was opposed to it? i know that this is NOT the status quo of abortions being performed, i admit that much, but situations like this do occur, so please do answer the question...
Posted on 6/1/19 at 10:08 am to chRxis
Nothing I said was non factual or even particularly judgmental. Your wife is FIYA and you are a fine American so this is not personal in any way.
I find it very, very typical that you would take the conversation to the farthest 99.999% margin. That’s very common when people want to avoid the banal reality of what the mass slaughter of the unborn actually is. The psychological term is AVOIDANCE.
So here is my answer- Because I am not an absolutist and because I value innocent human life-I would be willing to make a pragmatic DEAL to give you the 1000 babies conceived in rape and incest if you would give me the 1,000,000 that aren’t. Whatever deal you want to cut to allow more people to have a chance at life, I’d take.
I find it very, very typical that you would take the conversation to the farthest 99.999% margin. That’s very common when people want to avoid the banal reality of what the mass slaughter of the unborn actually is. The psychological term is AVOIDANCE.
So here is my answer- Because I am not an absolutist and because I value innocent human life-I would be willing to make a pragmatic DEAL to give you the 1000 babies conceived in rape and incest if you would give me the 1,000,000 that aren’t. Whatever deal you want to cut to allow more people to have a chance at life, I’d take.
Posted on 6/1/19 at 10:35 am to Lsupimp
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Whatever deal you want to cut to allow more people to have a chance at life, I’d take.
i agree with wanting to preserve life as much as possible... it's a pretty fine line to have to walk, but i do think that it can be done.... hell, we've sent a satellite into interstellar orbit, so i think we can do better than what we are doing right now on this issue..
but it starts with more and better sexual education... i know all i did in sex ed was draw dicks, as a prank, on my classmate's books... no one takes it serious... but it should be reinforced at home... i do think abstinence should be taught, as a method, but it shouldn't be forefront, bc let's be honest... teens are going to have sex... but give them actual education about their bodies and how to go about it responsibly...
2nd, make contraception freely available... sure, condoms aren't expensive, but birth control can be... i look at it like preventing abortions proactively...
but at the same time, i, as a man, am not about to tell a woman who has become pregnant, something that i will never experience for obvious reasons, what she can or cannot do with her own body... that fetus MAY become an actual person, abortion or no abortion, but i know that that woman IS an actual person... there IS value to her rights, IMO, and even more so, IMO, since she IS a person, at that point...
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Your wife is FIYA
bookmarked for future vouching...
Posted on 6/1/19 at 10:49 am to chRxis
I’m team Chris, bro. These poor crackas with their ever-expanding wives will never know what we know about the beautiful and charming ladies of Vietnam, lol.
We can disagree. It’s a polarizing issue. It comes down to fundamental core principles . I believe the unborn are human beings and their right to life is sacrosanct. You don’t. You want me to respect current law and I agree. No worries. People can disagree and not throw shite .
We can disagree. It’s a polarizing issue. It comes down to fundamental core principles . I believe the unborn are human beings and their right to life is sacrosanct. You don’t. You want me to respect current law and I agree. No worries. People can disagree and not throw shite .
Posted on 6/1/19 at 11:40 am to baldona
The got can't force you to get shots or Healthcare. They can sanction you.
This is different this is creating a law based purely on religious ideology.
I'm not for abortion but I'm for the right to a choice for one.
This is different this is creating a law based purely on religious ideology.
I'm not for abortion but I'm for the right to a choice for one.
Posted on 6/1/19 at 11:42 am to Jcorye1
Well. You never know. As long as you cool the egg meosis stops.
I've eaten fertilized eggs. I've eaten balut too.
No one thinks an egg is a chicken.
I've eaten fertilized eggs. I've eaten balut too.
No one thinks an egg is a chicken.
Posted on 6/1/19 at 11:48 am to Napoleon
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creating a law based purely on religious ideology.
This is factually incorrect. Many atheists and/or non-religious people oppose abortion. It is an ethical question, a philosophical question, a humanitarian question as well.
Posted on 6/1/19 at 12:13 pm to Jcorye1
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and this is just an awful argument. It's not like people are eating fertilized eggs
In the end, we eat both so what does it really matter?
We don't kill both fetuses and babies so the argument is invalid in several ways.
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:12 pm to Napoleon
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If men got pregnant no way we would ban abortion.
How do you define men - biologically or politically? The left likes to choose one when talking abortion rights while pushing the other for most other things.
Regardless Roe versus wade decided by men. Pretty sure there have been many men who don’t want to be responsible for their actions pushing abortions while hiding behind it’s the woman’s choice. Also pretty sure not all women view abortion as a women’s right (and not just talking about the aborted female babies). A female signed Alabama’s bill into law.
If a tissue gets zapped into being a person only by women’s choice to let it become a person with rights then these same women need to own a much larger share of the financial responsibility of what they & the Supreme Court admit was 100% their choice to let become a person.
Posted on 6/1/19 at 3:31 pm to Lsupimp
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These poor crackas with their ever-expanding wives will never know what we know about the beautiful and charming ladies of Vietnam, lol.
truth...
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People can disagree and not throw shite
agreed...
Posted on 6/1/19 at 3:37 pm to Napoleon
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I'm not for abortion but I'm for the right to a choice for one.
exactly... not sure why when you say you are pro-choice, you get labeled a child murderer, but that seems to be the M.O. of pro-lifers...
i don't know of anyone that sitting there cheering for women to just get abortions just for the sake of doing it, but i do think a woman should have the choice to have one if she sees fit...
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