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re: Attended Catholic Church for the first time in a while and it wasn't the same
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:41 am to troyt37
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:41 am to troyt37
You sound extremely misinformed and ignorant to actual church teachings, per the usual when you jump into threads about Catholicism. As always, I’ll refer you to Catholic Answers. That website will answer your questions. No answer seems to work for you, however, so do with it what you will.
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Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:58 am to JumpingTheShark
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You sound extremely misinformed and ignorant to actual church teachings, per the usual when you jump into threads about Catholicism. As always, I’ll refer you to Catholic Answers. That website will answer your questions. No answer seems to work for you, however, so do with it what you will.
I went there the last time. Catholic answers is full up with Catholic doctrine, and Catholic dogma, which is to say a self-serving Catholic man made construct of the Gospel. I am more than willing to research any and all Bible references you are willing to provide, pointing out the error of my ways, but sending me to propaganda central is a waste of time for both of us. I would no more reference Catholic answers to learn about Christianity than I would reference CNN to learn about president Trump.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:58 am to JumpingTheShark
Confucious say "man who fart in church sit in own pew".
Posted on 12/27/18 at 12:47 pm to troyt37
Not really trying to get super involved in this discussion, nor do I feel like I have a firm enough grasp of the understanding to actually contribute, but troyt37... you keep making the argument that the constructs of the church are the constructs of man, while at the same time asking for bible references.
Did man not write the books of the bible? Did man not take personal liberties with his writing style? How can you be so against the role of man in the church but ignore the role of man in the formation of scripture?
Did man not write the books of the bible? Did man not take personal liberties with his writing style? How can you be so against the role of man in the church but ignore the role of man in the formation of scripture?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 1:13 pm to troyt37
Troy, you're obviously not catholic so you aren't using the proper bible. You'd be referencing yours which is most likely missing 7 books. Additionally, the one where Luther added "faith alone". Come on bruh, do the right thing and go with the Church that Jesus himself created which led to apostolic succession.
Don't rely on the 1000s of other denominations that were created as a result of Luther and man's self interests.
Don't rely on the 1000s of other denominations that were created as a result of Luther and man's self interests.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 1:22 pm to SaturdayTraditions
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Did man not write the books of the bible?
Certainly.
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Did man not take personal liberties with his writing style?
Without a doubt. And then you have translation, transcription, and syntax errors compounding both of the above.
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How can you be so against the role of man in the church but ignore the role of man in the formation of scripture?
I am neither. I accept the King James Bible as the closest approximation to the word of God that I will ever have access to on this earth. The problem that I have with the role of men are the invented religions heaped upon that word of God, the doctrines and dogma that have no scriptural basis, other that the fact that they were uttered by someone the Catholic church decided was righteous, infallible, or holy.
I kind of think of it this way. The Bible is the Constitution, as written. What all the legislatures, activist judges, lawyers, and bureaucracy have created from it in the present day, is what the Catholic religion has done to the Bible, and to some extent, Christianity. In many cases, what man has done to the teachings of Jesus is little more than a perversion of the Gospel as taught in the scripture.
This post was edited on 12/27/18 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 12/27/18 at 1:45 pm to PureMetairie
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Troy, you're obviously not catholic so you aren't using the proper bible. You'd be referencing yours which is most likely missing 7 books. Additionally, the one where Luther added "faith alone". Come on bruh, do the right thing and go with the Church that Jesus himself created which led to apostolic succession.
Don't rely on the 1000s of other denominations that were created as a result of Luther and man's self interests.
I would, but nah. I admittedly have an elementary at best knowledge of Catholicism, but even so have noted numerous instances of the 'Church' supplanting God, and the teachings of Jesus.
I prefer not to rely on any religion or construct of sinners like myself to assure my salvation. The teachings of Jesus will do just fine.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 2:06 pm to troyt37
Catholic answers is full of bible references because they know people like you are the ones that are needing convincing and will visit the site. It basically exists for answering the questions that you are asking. If you are telling me they don’t have bible references then you haven’t visited it and you’re lying.
Edit: you also stated above that your knowledge of Catholicism is elementary at best but you have been speaking in this whole thread like you have dedicated years of your life to researching it. You should research thoroughly instead of speaking misconceptions, which is what most people seem to do about Catholicism because they base their knowledge on what they hear in the news. There is an answer for any question you have if you are truly willing to seek it out. I find Catholic Answers to be helpful, their forums and articles are very good at fielding these questions. Also we have a Catechism that basically states everything we believe, look at that too.
Edit: you also stated above that your knowledge of Catholicism is elementary at best but you have been speaking in this whole thread like you have dedicated years of your life to researching it. You should research thoroughly instead of speaking misconceptions, which is what most people seem to do about Catholicism because they base their knowledge on what they hear in the news. There is an answer for any question you have if you are truly willing to seek it out. I find Catholic Answers to be helpful, their forums and articles are very good at fielding these questions. Also we have a Catechism that basically states everything we believe, look at that too.
This post was edited on 12/27/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 12/27/18 at 2:43 pm to JumpingTheShark
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Catholic answers is full of bible references because they know people like you are the ones that are needing convincing and will visit the site. It basically exists for answering the questions that you are asking. If you are telling me they don’t have bible references then you haven’t visited it and you’re lying.
Okay, for example on Catholics calling everyone "Father":
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Jesus is not forbidding us to call men "fathers" who actually are such—either literally or spiritually. (See below on the apostolic example of spiritual fatherhood.) To refer to such people as fathers is only to acknowledge the truth, and Jesus is not against that. He is warning people against inaccurately attributing fatherhood—or a particular kind or degree of fatherhood—to those who do not have it.
So the answer is, yes, Jesus explicitly warns people against inaccurately attributing spiritual fatherhood to those who don't have it, but as Catholics, we will ignore that warning, and the literally hundreds of cases of wicked, evil, heinous men that have been Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals, and popes, and call them all father anyway. Because the church says it's ok.
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Edit: you also stated above that your knowledge of Catholicism is elementary at best but you have been speaking in this whole thread like you have dedicated years of your life to researching it.
Absolutely not true. I have spent years of my life gleaning what knowledge my puny brain can gather about God's word, and the example of Jesus Christ. End of. I have been speaking of the disparity between what I have learned, and my admittedly elementary knowledge of Catholicism.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 2:53 pm to al_cajun
Ultimately, I stay Catholic for one reason: The Eucharist. It is the source and summit of life. It is everything to me.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 3:07 pm to troyt37
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Jesus ascribed to no such religion, and made no provision to a particular religion in order to receive His salvation.
I thought we already discussed, Matthew 16:18 where it is written that Jesus literally said "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church"
That is the beginning of Catholicism as we know it. How can you interpret it any other way?
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I get my dander up when it comes to one denomination declaring all of the others heretical.
I agree with you here. I've had many discussions on, Am I Catholic/Republican/etc. because my parents raised me to be. It's definitely the reason I started but by college you're pretty much able to make the decision for yourself should you choose to continue. I don't think it serves anyone well to outright assume that everyone else's beliefs are wrong and only you are correct. This abuse situation is case in point that we are not without fault.
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Catholicism is simply the all-time worst in that regard.
Based on what?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 3:14 pm to al_cajun
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Attended Catholic Cult
FIFY
Posted on 12/27/18 at 3:15 pm to OleWar
There are numerous other examples. I just spent 30 seconds looking those up and linking. Keep hating St. Peter and the Catholic Church. It will end well for you.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 3:23 pm to Scooba
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I thought we already discussed, Matthew 16:18 where it is written that Jesus literally said "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church"
That is the beginning of Catholicism as we know it. How can you interpret it any other way?
We have discussed it, and sans the Catholic doctrine and dogma, the context is clearly the fact that the rock upon which the church is to be built is the fact that Jesus is the Son of God. Literally any church can twist their particular favorite scripture, to do exactly what the Catholics do here, and in truth, many do. Only one can truthfully say He is the Son of God, and that is Jesus. Peter himself calls Jesus the rock.
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Based on what?
Based on layer upon layer upon layer of doctrine and dogma which has no scriptural basis. Millennia of doctrine, created out of whole cloth, and sanctified by those who created it.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 4:11 pm to troyt37
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the context is clearly the fact that the rock upon which the church is to be built is the fact that Jesus is the Son of God.
I think you're focusing too much on the rock when my point is that Jesus is calling for the beginning of the Church.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 4:29 pm to Scooba
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I think you're focusing too much on the rock
Me? Catholics use this sliver of scripture to bestow legitimacy and sanctity upon the Catholic Church, all of it's doctrine, dogma, and canon from that day forward, and you think I am focusing too much on the rock?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 4:39 pm to troyt37
Dude do you have problems? Back and forth with you is like talking to a 12 year old.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 5:05 pm to JumpingTheShark
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Dude do you have problems? Back and forth with you is like talking to a 12 year old.
No more problems than you, brother. Just having a fairly friendly and informative discussion about religion, and why religion will ultimately fail, while faith never will. Feel free to step out if it makes you uncomfortable.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 5:09 pm to troyt37
No answer will work for you, you try and replace the word religion with terms like “shared faith” and act like you have some monumental breakthrough that everyone’s an idiot. You need to look up the definition of religion, because if you’re a Christian, You’re part of one whether you like it or not.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 5:26 pm to troyt37
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No more problems than you, brother. Just having a fairly friendly and informative discussion about religion, and why religion will ultimately fail, while faith never will.
Hahaha
Youve offered nothing but insults, and zero substance. You were doing the same in a thread a week or so ago.
You sure waste a lot of energy showing your anger towards the Catholic Church. will pray for you, brother.
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