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re: Atomic bombs or fire bombs on Japan
Posted on 6/23/25 at 3:24 pm to Auburn1968
Posted on 6/23/25 at 3:24 pm to Auburn1968
quote:80 years on and with all the facts in front of us it's easy to come to the right conclusion.
That potential looks to me to be far more destructive on a much wider array of targets than a couple of atomic bombs.
Be a 55 year-old Japanese career military man raised in the Bushido tradition who has had his way with the world with impunity for the past decade with no real awareness of the industrial might of the US and in a news black hole and you may come to another decision.
There was significant resistance in the Japanese War Cabinet to surrender after the Nagasaki Bomb.
As the Cajuns say: "I'm jus' tellin' ya."
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 3:38 pm to Snipe
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Atomic bombs were dropped on Japan only as a show of force to prove had them to Stalin and for us to actually see what they would do in real time use, not as a strategic weapon against the Japanese.
this theory ignores the biggest question, why not drop the bomb?
Russia wasn't in the war yet, albeit days away
japan had been fighting a lost cause pretty much since midway
We just slaughtered over 100k in okinawa
America was already comfortable destorying cities via fire bombing. What is the difference between 1 bomb and 1000, ethically speaking.
If Truman had the foresight to drop the bomb to scare the soviets, then he deserves a peace prize because dropping the bombs prevented nuclear war when more countries had bombs
Posted on 6/23/25 at 3:44 pm to JackieTreehorn
The atomic bombs isn't want stopped Japan. They didnt surrender till Russia starting to invade in the north part of Japan. That rape train is what technically ended War in Japan.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:47 pm to Auburn1968
There is no excuse, justification or other white-washing that makes the dropping of a nuclear weapon morally ok.
None. Argue with a wall.
None. Argue with a wall.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 5:14 pm to JackieTreehorn
Wrong. The japs have always been the most sophisticated of the Asians. They were very ruthless and heartless to their enemies though
Posted on 6/23/25 at 5:17 pm to Auburn1968
LeMay’s Incendiary attacks on Tokyo were far more damaging to Japan’s war effort than either of the gadgets.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 5:20 pm to wesfau
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There is no excuse, justification or other white-washing that makes the dropping of a nuclear weapon morally ok.
It saved American lives and millions of Japanese lives.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 5:30 pm to Auburn1968
We just DGAF at that point
We firebombed Dresden for no other reason than to
show the Russians on the other side of the river just how far we were willing go. Cooked a city full of women , children , elderly and refugees. Then bomb Tokyo in circular patterns to entrap people before dropping Napalm inside the GD circles during typhoon season. Curtis LeMay said it himself. They couldn’t stop and they had to win or they’d all hang for war crimes.
We firebombed Dresden for no other reason than to
show the Russians on the other side of the river just how far we were willing go. Cooked a city full of women , children , elderly and refugees. Then bomb Tokyo in circular patterns to entrap people before dropping Napalm inside the GD circles during typhoon season. Curtis LeMay said it himself. They couldn’t stop and they had to win or they’d all hang for war crimes.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:28 pm to AUstar
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I dont think I've ever seen a country change its ways as much as Japan. Those old imperial Japanese would cut heads off with Samurai swords and committed all kinds of atrocities.
Now Japan is a close ally and maybe the most civilized country.
I'd give MacArthur a good bit of credit. Nation building can work, but you need a sharp leader who understands the mind set, dictatorial powers, a friendly press and a disinterested public.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:34 pm to GEAUXT
The fires were so hot they boiled the rivers so when people jumped in to avoid the flames they were cooked.
The jet stream made hitting targets with precision very difficult, especially from B29 altitudes. LeMay switched to incendiaries to make sure the job got done.
Also, Japanese industry was done cottage style, meaning they didn't have centralized factories and such like the Jerries, which necessitated a more comprehensive bombing approach to reach the desired effect.
The jet stream made hitting targets with precision very difficult, especially from B29 altitudes. LeMay switched to incendiaries to make sure the job got done.
Also, Japanese industry was done cottage style, meaning they didn't have centralized factories and such like the Jerries, which necessitated a more comprehensive bombing approach to reach the desired effect.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:40 pm to LemmyLives
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There were also considerations due to atom bomb placement, at least in Nagasaki. Direct blast area was about 40% smaller than Hiroshima, I think because the bomb drifted towards the mountains a bit more than expected.
IIRC Nagasaki was the third alternate due to overcast. Visibility wasn't great there either but the bombardier dropped anyway. Lemay berated him for it at the briefing.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:07 pm to Auburn1968
Both were necessary. The dismantling of the Japanese Empire post WWII has brought about the world as it is today.
The Japanese Constitution by MacArthur included gun control and a defence only Japanese military. It was un American and caused a CCP over balance of influence.
A massive ally was emasculated.
The Japanese Constitution by MacArthur included gun control and a defence only Japanese military. It was un American and caused a CCP over balance of influence.
A massive ally was emasculated.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:43 pm to Auburn1968
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