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re: ATL - Toddler Left in Car

Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:09 am to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:09 am to
This is too weird. So are the choices

A) the guy knew the kid was there, and apparently was too stupid to understand what he was doing; or

B) He's dumb and forgot about him, after taking him to breakfast and despite going to his car at lunch?
Posted by Sofa King Crimson
3rd Ward
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:15 am to
C) did this on purpose and thought he could get away with it(or charges would not be murder)

D) the kid died somewhere else and this was a setup to make it appear this was the way the child died?


Who the hell knows?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:18 am to
I thought about those before this latest news came out.

C) is just crazy to me, as a lot of people who know the family just don't think it is possible. You never know, but it just doesn't strike me as likely. D) is still a good possibility, but the kid would have had to die sometime during the morning/day? Just seems bizarre.
Posted by djangochained
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:21 am to
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D) the kid died somewhere else and this was a setup to make it appear this was the way the child died?


This would be nuts
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:21 am to
ETA: I misread the article
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 9:23 am
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:28 am to
So now it's looking like potential foul play?

I addressed that possibility with these types of cases on Page 3 of this shitty thread...
quote:


It shouldn't be. Assuming you don't have your head up you arse, there is no possible way any reasonable person can do this. I'm astounded by how many people seem to think this is a potential accident waiting to happen...as if it's the luck of the draw to forget you have your child with you.

It isn't...really.

My biggest fear while being in the car with my kids is having some asshat slam into us while they text or check fricking Facebook. I can prevent leaving my kids in the car by simply remembering...my kids are in the car. I can totally and completely prevent that from happening, so it's just not a worry I have. I leave those for things that are out of my hands.

Honestly...if I was some parent looking to murder my kids, there is no way I'd consider anything OTHER than leaving them in the car. We've now got a sizable portion of the public that, due to their own lack of paying attention, will give you a pass.

Downvoting this reasonable position takes place over there>>>>>>>>>>>


I can't think of another situation where one human can directly cause the death of another (keep all your abortion comments out of this, thanks) and everyone sides with the person who caused the death rather than the one killed. Where it has become nearly universal to blame the universe for what happened rather than the individual directly responsible. EVEN IF people who do this REALLY DO honestly forget, that are guilty of tremendous negligence and simply saying, "Well...they've suffered enough," would be no answer in other situations. At worst, because nearly everyone assumes that "this can happen to them" no one is willing to pass judgement, so someone who is looking to kill their own kid has a nearly foolproof way of doing it with very little chance of repercussions. If it turns out this guys did just that and got caught because of his own stupidity, keep in mind that it took a dumb mistake by him to get caught...and all those who automatically assumed HE was the victim were running to allow him to get away with murder.
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:29 am to
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C) is just crazy to me, as a lot of people who know the family just don't think it is possible.


He's such a good boy and would never hurt anyone...
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83735 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:32 am to
quote:

He's such a good boy and would never hurt anyone...



I know but usually that "good boy" had been to jail a few times and was in a gang. In this case, reasonable accounts (even from Auburn people who knew him) said he was a likable family guy. Like I said, maybe they're wrong or something changed, but it seems unlikely from what I've heard.

Guys who put kids in car seats and follow rules about car seat direction and whatnot just don't generally kill their kids. Maybe this guy is an exception, but I'm still leaning towards incredibly forgetful or stupid or coverup (or all three).
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:37 am to
Where is the mother..?
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:39 am to
quote:

Where is the mother..?


Following good legal advice and not talking to the media.

Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:40 am to
The guy, if there was foul play involved, is a POS. You don't just suddenly become a POS.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83735 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:44 am to
quote:

The guy, if there was foul play involved, is a POS. You don't just suddenly become a POS.



That's what I'm saying. I just have a hard time believing this guy took his kid for breakfast at chickfila and then killed him.

I'm not eliminating the potential for him to be a POS, I just think it sets up oddly for that.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:50 am to
True. Plus, he was married to his child's mother, which according to this thread makes this even more bizarre:
LINK
Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:15 am to
I honestly don't know what to think here anymore. Because the least path of resistance says he did this intentionally since he did make a stop on the way to work and checked the car.

But then who takes their kid to CFA for breakfast and enjoys time with him and then begins to kill him minutes later. It also doesn't say where the CFA was in that if it was before the daycare.

Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:22 am to
quote:

But then who takes their kid to CFA for breakfast and enjoys time with him and then begins to kill him minutes later.


Crazy people do that shite.

By the way, regarding the day care, the day care was on-site. So there is no reason for them not to have notified him. There's another reason for the police to suspect foul play.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
9850 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:23 am to
quote:

who takes their kid to CFA for breakfast and enjoys time with him and then begins to kill him minutes later


A sad individual..
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:25 am to
quote:

By the way, regarding the day care, the day care was on-site. So there is no reason for them not to have notified him. There's another reason for the police to suspect foul play.


Oh wow. So this would likely mean he brings him there each day.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 10:26 am
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
Member since Nov 2010
10070 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:47 am to
He worked at a satellite office a few blocks away from the HQ daycare. Saw somewhere else that he pulled over heading away from the HQ so not only did he "forget" to drop him off but pick him up as well.

edit: arrest warrant
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 10:54 am
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:54 am to
Agreed. This kind of event does happen but you know who it happens to 99% of the time? Trashy, ignorant people. I mean the most moronic of the morons. Somebody already Simple Jack dumb who has supplemented their already blatant ignorance with a meth addiction or alcoholism. That is who this happens to.

So, those who don't have children yet....be not afraid. A child CONSUMES your freaking life, whether you want it to or not. I don't care if you despise the day you ever planted the seed and yearn for the days of freedom of the responsibility from yore, you will never forget where your child is at. You will have to experience it to understand.

Now, things like the other guy who told the story about his kid going out the door will occur. You will have panic stricken moments. But not due to gross negligence, rather, from that one 30 second period when you turn your attention briefly away. Like when your 3 year old wants to be a big girl and walk instead of ride in the cart at TJ Maxx or Macys. You look down every 10 seconds to make sure she is still there and in your sight. Then you start looking at sizes or something and then look down and.....gone. Start running around all crazy like yelling her name. Run to the front and tell them to block the exits....missing child. Then find her hiding in the clothes rack right beside your cart. Yes, something like that will happen to you or your wife at some point and it is a frightening experience.

But no need to worry that you will forget you have junior in the car with you. I read where people say "well, what if they fall asleep and are quiet? I can see a mistake happening then." I'll just tell you that when that child falls asleep, you will doing your best not to wake it up. "Please,please stay asleep until we arrive where we are going. I just want 30 minutes peace." Again, this happens to cracked out meth heads and the sort who are already low IQ to start. Not to anyone with a grain of responsibility which I believe most people posting here have.
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
85126 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Again, this happens to cracked out meth heads and the sort who are already low IQ to start. Not to anyone with a grain of responsibility which I believe most people posting here have.


false

studies have shown that this can happen to anyone

or at least the original premise of the thread, not what it looks like this case has become
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 10:58 am
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