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re: At what point is the juice not worth the squeeze? Economic impact of a lockdown
Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:57 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:57 pm to LNCHBOX
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You don't know just how bad or could be without these actions though. So there is nothing that will convince you that this wasn't overreaction or necessary
I definitely agree, I suppose it's the safest bet. But when this thing comes back around in the fall are we going to do this again? Sooner or later the paychecks will stop coming in, the federal reserve won't be able to print our way out of it, and it will cause catastrophic damage to the world if we shut down everytime the threat of 100,000 deaths comes our way.
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Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:57 pm to lsunurse
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We only have so many ICU beds. And...many ICUs were already close to full anyways from the usualthings that keep them busy this time of year.
It blew my mind when I heard we only have 160,000 ventilators in the entire nation. That seems low for a country this large. Pretty scary when this kills people by basically drowning people in their own fluids.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:57 pm to vuvuzela
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but in the long run the economic damage it will cause if we keep shutting everything down will cause more death and misery than the virus ever would.
All of this.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:58 pm to BOSCEAUX
I don’t have a huge problem with the measures taken so far, but taking it to the extent of regional lockdowns, banning international travel/trade, etc. could do more damage to human welfare than the virus ever could.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:59 pm to BOSCEAUX
As long as the trucks keep rolling we’re gonna make it
Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:59 pm to BOSCEAUX
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You can say that about regular influenza it mutates constantly but we don’t come to a grinding halt every winter and a shite ton of people not all old die from it every year. Think about that.
We also have influenza vaccines as well as medications that adequately fight influenza. This comparison is pretty irresponsible, and I've seen multiple articles and TV spots explaining why it's a stupid comparison.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:59 pm to SuperSaint
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grandmother
pics?
She has dementia so you might have a shot
Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:59 pm to vuvuzela
Why are we acting like this is some common thing we're doing?
Posted on 3/14/20 at 2:59 pm to BOSCEAUX
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You can say that about regular influenza it mutates constantly but we don’t come to a grinding halt every winter and a shite ton of people not all old die from it every year. Think about that.
For frick's sake THIS IS NOT THE REGULAR FLU.
This is a novel virus. We've NEVER dealt with this strain before. We've NEVER been exposed to this strain before.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:01 pm to lsunurse
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This needs to be done so our healthcare system isn't totally overwhelmed by this
So funnel attention and resources to health care to help the few instead of shutting down the frickin economy affecting everyone.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:01 pm to BOSCEAUX
quote:The flu doesn't overwhelm ICUs.
You can say that about regular influenza it mutates constantly but we don’t come to a grinding halt every winter and a shite ton of people not all old die from it every year. Think about that.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:02 pm to CuyahogaTigerJr
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As long as the trucks keep rolling we’re gonna make it
That’s the thing, though. Eventually they do stop rolling.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:02 pm to The Spleen
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It blew my mind when I heard we only have 160,000 ventilators in the entire nation. That seems low for a country this large
I believe that’s the number in hospitals at the moment. One of the ceo guys Friday said they were shipping out a bunch that were in warehouses out to where they might be needed.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:02 pm to LNCHBOX
It’s all about slowing the spread down, so that we don’t overwhelm the hospitals. The spread is gonna happen no matter what we do, and we can’t stay locked down until we have a vaccine. But, this is all to slow it down so we can handle to incoming wave of sick people.
It’s really surprising how the vast majority of people on this board downplay it. Just use some common sense. Why would every country take extreme measures that will tip their countries into a recession? Why would they do that? Why would the smartest doctors and researchers be advocating for these exact measures? These actions aren’t just pulled out of their arse.
I wonder how long the ignorance will prevail? How far will the goal posts get moved?
It’s really surprising how the vast majority of people on this board downplay it. Just use some common sense. Why would every country take extreme measures that will tip their countries into a recession? Why would they do that? Why would the smartest doctors and researchers be advocating for these exact measures? These actions aren’t just pulled out of their arse.
I wonder how long the ignorance will prevail? How far will the goal posts get moved?
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:03 pm to shutterspeed
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o funnel attention and resources to health care to help the few
Help the few?
What do you think is gonna happen to other people, that don't have coronavirus, that need medical care? What happens if you get into a car accident and need to be on a ventilator or just ICU care while you heal from your massive head injury...but guess what...no ventilator or ICU bed available so doctors are telling your family there isn't more they can do.
It isn't just about the old people.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:03 pm to BOSCEAUX
How do you know the economic damage is irreparable?
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:04 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I don’t have a huge problem with the measures taken so far, but taking it to the extent of regional lockdowns, banning international travel/trade, etc. could do more damage to human welfare than the virus ever could.
This is where I stand. Yes it sucks. My daughter is upset about no softball or prom but that’s a temporary pain in the arse. Steps further than this would be catastrophic way beyond what the Wuhan would ever do.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:05 pm to BOSCEAUX
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One of the ceo guys Friday said they were shipping out a bunch that were in warehouses out to where they might be needed.
Still have to have ICU beds and the staff. You can't help critically ill patients on a regular floor. ICU patients require nurses specially trained to care for the critically ill. You can't just use any nurse to care for a patient on a ventilator. That's not how it works.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:07 pm to The Spleen
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We also have influenza vaccines as well as medications that adequately fight influenza. This comparison is pretty irresponsible, and I've seen multiple articles and TV spots explaining why it's a stupid comparison.
You know fully well the flu vaccine is a crapshoot. It all depends on what strain they think is going to be the worst that year. We didn’t have a H1N1 vaccine for 10 months after the outbreak and we still didn’t come close to doing things like this.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 3:07 pm to vuvuzela
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agree with you, if we took this approach of complete shutdown every year the global economy would be in the shitter. More people would die of starvation, lack of medical supplies, crime rate increases (due to correlation between poverty and violet crime) from unemployment than the virus would ever kill.
It's overreaction, it's panic, it's extreme, it's fricking insane. Bookmark it, and quote me on it in a year.
However, if this is a one time thing...watch the economy once it climbs back out of this...shits going to boom. Like burning a grass field, shite grows back strong.
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